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Re: “A Duke senior sues the university after being expelled over allegations of sexual misconduct

Damian -- I would say the vocal feminists I know are also by far, the most active supporters of other women like women in oppressive countries and minority women in ours. I'm not sure why you believe women asking for equality in the workplace and standing up against rape culture for a more respectful society, somehow means that they do not want that for all women.

Kimski's disingenuous concerns about "male rape victims (by females)" and your conspiracy theories about rape being a way for corporations to control universities (never have I known a rape victim with corporate ties) are pretty wacko.

Damian this comment: "There is something good that can come out of experience, no matter how distressing and unpleasant." -- is disappointing to read.

Rape = never a positive learning opportunity for the victim. Rather it creates sadness, fear, powerlessness, and a feeling of insignificance. Victims of repeat rape or molestation have described how their souls are "murdered" or "killed." For a one-time victims of rape, it takes a chip of their soul away.

Good men could spare their lectures on women to "smarten up to avoid the 1% of male rapists" (I think it's about 4%), but rather can stand against their rapists friends.

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Posted by Liz Carlson on 05/29/2014 at 3:45 PM

Re: “A Duke senior sues the university after being expelled over allegations of sexual misconduct

Yeah Catherine, I definitely laughed when the anonymous poster with the ironic username "Truth Not Lies" (TNL) used the term "Broads."

Please tell me this is not 1950! #TwilightZone

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Posted by Liz Carlson on 05/29/2014 at 1:40 AM

Re: “A Duke senior sues the university after being expelled over allegations of sexual misconduct

And if I didn't say it -- Damian (correct spelling this time) -- men (both straight and gay) are people, too, and you should never have been raped.

There is no excuse and it is not your fault.

I rather not live in a culture of fear where we have to protect ourselves, but rather live in a culture of respect. We should work & fight to have that culture of respect together, not police ourselves to fit into the harsh realities of the current one.

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Posted by Liz Carlson on 05/29/2014 at 12:23 AM

Re: “A Duke senior sues the university after being expelled over allegations of sexual misconduct

I think you make a great point Damien about how we all need to develop a backbone in all aspects of life. Women are socially programmed to appease others, particularly men, which is part of the issue.

However, it's clear she did say no to sex multiple times before and during the act. I do not believe that accepting a cab ride a green light for going all the way.

I agree it's not safe to share a cab with an untrusted guy, which is a sad reflection about society, not a reflection about the girl, her self-esteem, or how she was raised.

It would have been smart for her to speak up at the point he reverted the cab to his place, but hindsight is 20/20. Keep in mind she is only 18. It's sad that women even have to protect themselves against what could go wrong here. I am sure she did not realize she was walking into a trap, because she didn't believe something like that could happen to her -- after all she must be very smart to get into Duke -- book smart at least.

Damien -- you made one statement that made me want to vomit: "At the same time, men need to learn this sort of thing and how do you learn other than by trial and error?"

A woman's body should NOT be trial-ed and error-ed. Women are people, not rapist learning opportunities. Just an FYI.

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Posted by Liz Carlson on 05/28/2014 at 11:59 PM

Re: “A Duke senior sues the university after being expelled over allegations of sexual misconduct

One more thing:

The idea that a woman would go through the process of re-living the event through the painful and humiliating process of testifying to school officials about the intimate topic of rape for a "perceived slight" is absurd.

I suspect she has gone through a lot of pain to ensure justice for herself and future women, not for kicks, for spite, or for being an "angry feminist."

The idea that a woman would go through this process for spite / for a perceived "slight" is the craziest comment here. Someone who would state that likely has concerning issues of his own pertaining to women.

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Posted by Liz Carlson on 05/28/2014 at 10:35 PM

Re: “A Duke senior sues the university after being expelled over allegations of sexual misconduct

I disagree with Chris Jess about his analysis of her texts.

I would figure alarm bells don't go off when rape victims are raped but rather that they are in a state of panic and shock, similar to car crash victims or any horrific event.

The frantic texts to her friends suggest that something bad happened, not a normal hook-up. It is also difficult for victims to immediately process the word "rape"and the idea that they were raped.

It's concerning that the accused lists her best friend's acknowledgement that she stated she was OK with being naked next to him in bed as "proof" of his vindication. This is disappointing to read that people connect nudity with a free pass for a man to put his penis inside a woman.

No one should have sex with someone who is drunk and crying for them to stop. This is not and should never be deemed a "normal hookup."

Also, the fact that they were able to find evidence that a frat-brother's had texted the accused that the girl appeared "terrified" when going to his door to ask him retrieve her wallet from the accused's room -- is further evidence of a frat-bro cover-up as he had testified that she seemed coherent and embarrassed. Very different than "terrified."

This is not an attack by feminists. Women deserve to be respected and treated as people.

Sorry about your Wall Street Job brah!

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Posted by Liz Carlson on 05/28/2014 at 10:12 PM

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