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Re: “Back from Iraq and helping homeless vets: John Turner

I think more information is necessary on the data, but that is really not the point here. I think the hundreads of volunteers that actually conduct the PIT count every year in NC would take issue with you calling their efforts not accurate. It is in fact the only unduplicated count of persons experiencing homelessness. The numbers are not manipulated and I speak from direct experience. Having the right data and knowing exactly where it comes from is key to working to solve an issue.
Again, Housing Frist is the most successful model and it is evidence based. It is effective and efficient. It ends homelessness. This is not ending anyone's homelessness, this is a program that hopes to make these vets "ready for housing" which is the model that has proven to be ineffective and expensive. I am not saying that peer to peer service provision does not work, I am saying that it doesn't actually solve the problem that these vets are facing. In Houisng First people have a lease and there is no need to go through a program to earn that lease. I don't think these vets need to prove through a program that they deserve their leases and there places in the community. Peer to peer programs can happen with Housing First, by offering them all of these services while they are in their own homes/apartments/permanent housing. Everyone wins. Not only can and should it be offered while in their own housing, it is actually cheaper and more effective to do so.
How are thes vets supposed to goet to this facility in Butner? Wouldn't it be cheaper and better for them to meet them where they are in their communities? That is Housing First. How are they to get from this facility and reintegrate into the community once this program is over? In Housing First these vets would be given all the supports and programs they need to be successful while in their homes; without threat of having to move which is a traumatic event.
Please don't bus people out to an expensive facility that drains resources and is not an evidence-based practice. It hurts more than helps. Lets not keep them in a time limited program out in rural NC and then tell them they now need to make a go at life somewhere else. Logistically, this model just doesn't add up. Will there be busies? Will there be someone to take them out into the community to help them figure out where they want to live once the program is over? What about the ongoing cost of sustaining this old building? that will cost millions. Will there be case management to help them reintegrate into their communities? There are better, proven methods that offer lasting solutions to homelessness and all of the complex issues that are faced by our brave men and women. These improved methods are actually cheaper too which is an amazing combination of factors. They deserve the best because they gave their best.
That 4.2 million could serve thousands more successfully than what it will do trying to reinvigorate this old building in Butner. It could right now be used to put vets experiencing homelessness in quality housing in their own communities and surround them with services (job training, peer to peer supports, mental health care, etc) so ensure their success. Please don't waste taxpayer dollars and veterans time. They have given enough of their time already.

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Posted by Downtowner on 11/28/2013 at 10:08 AM

Re: “Back from Iraq and helping homeless vets: John Turner

Bob Geary, thanks fir your comments. This is not Housing First and Housing First is permanent housing. Anything that takes resources away from a tried and tested practice that permanently helps people is immoral in my opinion.
HUD won't even fund this type of project anymore because it is an expensive and ineffective model.
Please just read for yourself, don't post something without merit. I posted two links and please visit the National Alliance to End Homelessness' website or NC Coalition to End Homelessness' site. They both support Housing First over the housing readiness model. Go to the USICH and VA websites. HUD too. They all agree that permanent housing and supports is the best solution. Nothing more to say. Find out for yourself.

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Posted by Downtowner on 11/27/2013 at 7:52 PM

Re: “Back from Iraq and helping homeless vets: John Turner

Housing First is permanent housing (period) and runs counter to the current, now old, model of housing stability (which is the model described here).
Those number are not from HUD and are not an accurate capture of this who are literally homeless. All you have to do is look these things up. The truth speaks for itself. Those who want to use old, untested, and expensive models of "housing readiness" are doing more harm than good.
Our vets deserve a forever home, not have to prove their way into deserving permanent housing.

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Posted by Downtowner on 11/27/2013 at 7:50 PM

Re: “Back from Iraq and helping homeless vets: John Turner

I am also disappointed that the Indy did not do their background research. The data at the top of this story is incorrect. It is disappointing that someone who has not done their proper research on what types of programs are proven to work and presents faulty data without a source listed can garner automatic support. Again, our veterans deserve better than this.
This is one article of many. All you have to do is Google and read. Also, this is not new research. It has been around and predominate in the homelessness field for the last several years. Time tested and proven effective:…
It is sad to me that there are so many people in our community doing the hard work of ending homelessness using the best practice models and this work is overshadowed immediately from one person waving faulty data who happens to have the ear of decision makers. Those on the front lines of this issue don't have the time or resources to lobby the folks in charge and the thanks they get is this guy diverting valuable resources (millions of dollars!) into a model that is proven ineffective and expensive. It will hurt more than it helps.

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Posted by Downtowner on 11/27/2013 at 4:49 PM

Re: “Back from Iraq and helping homeless vets: John Turner

Please use our tax dollars for programs that are proven to be successful: i.e. Housing Fist and VASH Vouchers.
It is harmful to the veterans being served to put them in an expensive facility that will drain public and private resources instead of utilizing best practice models of ending homelessness. I am confused how someone has so much support when he is not utilizing the best practice models that are time tested and and efficient use of dollars. We must demand the best for our vets and the Butner facility is not it.

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Posted by Downtowner on 11/27/2013 at 4:32 PM

Re: “Back from Iraq and helping homeless vets: John Turner

Apologies in advance for typos and grammatical mistakes. This was written on a small screen.
Thank you for caring about our vets. Please know that the best (i.e. evidenced-based or proven to be most successful) solution to ending homelessness for veterans (and all persons) is permanent housing with supports. Please only invest in solutions that are proven to work for our vets and don't' set them up for failure by utilizing the "old model" of intervention which is facility-based transitional housing. They don't deserve to live in a facility and to have to leave and move again and find permanent housing, and then set up their community once again. This is proven to be an ineffective and expensive model. Our vets deserve quality, affordable, permanent housing with appropriate supports. They don't deserve to have to move to an expensive and unsustainable facility that is out in the middle of nowhere. They need to be connected to their community, with all of the supports you mention here. This is not a partisan issue, but it is a moral one. Maya Angelou said it best: 'I did then what I knew how to do. Now that I know better, I do better.' Let's do our best for these vets, because they did their best for us.
The US Interagency Council on Homelessness and the Veterans Administration agrees that Housing First is the best (and most efficient) way to end homelessness for veterans. There vast research to proving this. Please help our vets by doing only what is best.…

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Posted by Downtowner on 11/27/2013 at 3:49 PM

Re: “Raleigh forbids giving food to homeless, encounters P.R. nightmare

The media has not reported the other side of this story: there is a group of homeless advocates working to change the way people are served in Moore Square in order to do it better, more coordinated, and more effective. This group was invited to the table for ongoing discussions about how to shift the work to be more effective and humane, and somehow the communications broke down. It is disappointing to those of us who are professionals, working full time to end homelessness, have our agenda rewritten and taken over by one rogue ministry who thinks they were wronged. This sector is becoming data driven and smart in the way we effectively serve our fellow community members and this type of negativity attempts to stifle progress with misinformation. The RPD have been partners in this work and are trying to help the larger community group of homelessness advocates to successfully implement effective measures to better serve those in Moore Square. Please be a part of the conversation and don't just reprt one voice and one side of the story. I expected more from the Indy. Lets end homelessness together utilizing data driven practice and outcome based modes of service.

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Posted by Downtowner on 08/28/2013 at 11:36 PM

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