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Re: “Not a Lot of Nazi Statues in Berlin

When you pull tongue-in-cheek comments out of context of the original thread, it'd be nice if you had the courtesy to contact the original author of the quotes for further comment. Just pulling random, out-of-context quotes off facebook is pretty weak "journalism."

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Posted by Heath Satow on 10/18/2017 at 6:46 PM

Re: “Not a Lot of Nazi Statues in Berlin

Thanks for pulling my quote out without noting that the comment was made tongue-in-cheek. A bit creepy when you pull quotes from facebook without interviewing the sources.

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Posted by Heath Satow on 10/18/2017 at 6:45 PM

Re: “Governor's School blues

Would anyone mind telling me if Gov School is LGBT+ friendly? I'm hoping to apply, but I'm afraid my orientation might cause issues

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Posted by Randie Rose on 10/16/2017 at 9:35 PM

Re: “John Burns Is Right: The President Is a White Supremacist.

Burns for Governor in 2024.

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Posted by ct on 10/04/2017 at 7:16 PM

Re: “John Burns Is Right: The President Is a White Supremacist.

Hell of a piece of writing. Thanks!

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Posted by Jerry Wayne Williamson on 10/04/2017 at 9:59 AM

Re: “Mob Rule

was the misogony stuff actually some type of performance art?

Posted by sthomper on 09/27/2017 at 2:07 PM

Re: “Blind Attack

Ryan Plankenhorn appears to have good intentions with his remarks, and it is much appreciated. I would kindly like him to consider, however, that the statement "without a thought about differences in skin color" is a privilege that can be extended to many identities--be it race, gender or sexual orientation. As a black woman, I simply cannot ignore the underlying power dynamics if I'm in a board meeting with mainly white men. Similarly, as a straight woman I know that I can flippantly say "my boyfriend" or "my husband" in a group of strangers compared to "my girlfriend' or "my wife", without fear of judgment.

Connie Chastain Ward, reading that you believe that "slave owners were moral giants" compared to youth who are expanding their knowledge of Marxist/socialist ideologies is astonishing. Sure, communist governments throughout the world have indeed failed the people they promised to serve. But to discredit youths' openness to political and economic styles beyond capitalism (which has both pros and cons), and to literally say a slave owner is morally superior is appalling not only to descendants of slaves, but all Americans who condemn that practice.

Posted by MelissaJ123 on 09/27/2017 at 1:16 PM

Re: “Artificer: Recent Decisions in The News & Observer’s Arts Journalism Expose the Downside of “Reader-Focused Coverage”

"And some things, like peoples right to feel included in public space are more important than creative expression."

There are two problems with this basic ideology. One, it is simply impractical to expect that in a communal space, everyone is going to feel included all the time and two, nothing is more important than the ability exercise creative freedom.

The idea that everyone needs to feel safe all the time in communal spaces is counterproductive. Everyone should have the right to voice their opinion free from threat of physical or verbal abuse, but a truly safe space where conflict is not present does a disservice to all mankind. Ideas, people, morality thrives on coming into contact with the other and recognizing differences and similarities. The only way to ensure everyones right to feel included is uniformity and that is the deathnell of any vibrant society. Equality means everyone has the same opportunities, it does not mean that everyone feels the same inside about that experience.

One of the functions of art is to engage, on a sensory level our understanding of the truth, to bypass the intellect and reach into the depths of our deepest desires, fears and unconscious and find resonance or dissonance. If that function is compromised, through internal or external means, we lose one of our primary tools for understanding self, other and the space between. The question of whether or not Silent Sam is art, is different from saying that art needs to make everyone feel included. It doesnt. The artists job is to take internal states of truth and create artifacts that disseminate those truths to others. Does this always happen, no, but the basic functioning of this process must remain alive. The censorship of art and creativity, through oppressive totalitarian means or the social stigma of offending any one person achieve the same ends. Yes, this does open the door to offensive materials and yes, in the same way the first amendment protects the rights of Nazis to march in the street, it can mean for awkward times...but - once we head down the road of deciding what art is appropriate by who it offends, we have opened the door to a long and dismal slide into oppressive regimes.

Neither of these points argues that fact that context does make a difference. Silent Sam may well be better served surrounded by historical context and used as an example of intolerance and the institutionalized racism that is endemic to our country...and - this doesn't even begin to discuss whether or not monuments are art or not. But - regardless, this article does what many seem to do today, react emotionally to a situation without digging into the underlying philosophy of where those reactions might take us...creative expression, particularly in the public space must remain free to all who take that opportunity. And yes, this does create a murky line between creative expression and hate speech (which cannot be tolerated) but that is a line that we must decide inch by inch and not mile by mile.

Anon1

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Posted by Anon1 on 09/02/2017 at 10:48 AM

Re: “Mob Rule

Who are these people who behave so badly and dare anyone to comment on them in public? Are they relatively new to the area or natives who have lost hope in the rest of us?

Posted by MickeyNotMouse on 08/31/2017 at 10:43 AM

Re: “Monumental Debates

Julian Baddy's comment about or "fear" of an "idea" from the south is ridiculous.
Bigotry is not an "idea". Hate is not on the shelf of any marketplace of "ideas". White supremacy is not an "idea". Were we "afraid" of it in 1865?

It is rather more obvious that white supremacists are afraid of the idea of equality.

Posted by George Greene on 08/26/2017 at 5:20 PM

Re: “Monumental Debates

Why exactly does anyone think Edwin Yoder is credible when he says that listeners would be appalled by Julian Carr's vulgar comments? Even if they were, a lot of people who were appalled by Trump's"grab'em by the pussy" VOTED FOR HIM ANYWAY! If white listeners of that era were appalled then they were appalled only by the brazenness and impropriety of the remarks, NOT by the content or sentiment, and that is obvious from the policies that the majority of them were voting for. There was plenty of neo-Confederate sentiment co-existing with the Fusion governments of the 1890s here; the Kirk-Holden war and the impeachment of Gov.Holden -- "Redemption" -- were around the election of 1870!

Posted by George Greene on 08/26/2017 at 5:19 PM

Re: “What About the Pigs?

I want to echo the sentiments of Ellen and Jessica and state that the way that we treat animals, in this case pigs, is a pressing societal issue that needs to dealt with. I want to believe that humanity has the capacity to show compassion towards innocent animals. I know that our culture is entrenched in carnism (ie: animals are here for use to use, eat and abuse), but that doesn't mean that it's moral or acceptable. Animal justice is on the horizon.

Start with the "Meet your Meat" documentary and then watch "Earthlings", if you are unaware that they are sentient beings that deserve respect. They greatly resemble our companion animals in terms of behavior: dogs and cats! Once I saw how animals( cows, pigs and chickens) are treated by humans I accepted that my life needed to change and that I could not longer be complicit in their abuse. Now if only it were easier to avoid industries that harm humans, opting out of all animal products has removed my participation in animal suffering. I hope that you will too, for their sake.

Posted by ammi on 08/24/2017 at 11:14 AM

Re: “Bang the Drum Softly

As the owner of Surf Club I wanted to respond to Chris Allens letter. Surf Club received a noise complaint from the liberty warehouse last Thursday night and officers from the Durham PD asked us to turn down the outdoor speakers, this was not an outdoor event. We are in the process of removing our outdoor speakers that face towards the rear of the building because of this. When we have had DJ fundraisers or events outdoors at Surf we have endeavored to move the performers indoors at 11, not 2am as you suggest. The international Youth Day fundraiser this weekend has been moved 100% indoors and we are unsure whether we will host anymore outdoor events. As a business owner who along with many others have helped create the "vibe" with which Liberty sold itself on it is frustrating to say the least. We support Batala' and I was at central park on Monday when they were shut down. This is the tip of the iceberg and it is affecting all of us.
Rhys Botica

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Posted by surfclub on 08/09/2017 at 10:28 AM

Re: “What About the Pigs?

Thank you Ellen and Jessica for writing and for educating others. Your words were very touching and offer a great perspective of what life is like for farm animals. There is no excuse for us dominating these animals and inflicting such great suffering- it's time we wake up.

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Posted by Erica Wolak on 07/29/2017 at 11:35 AM

Re: “What About the Pigs?

Thank you to Ellen and Jessica for their comments, and to the Indy for running the series on the disaster that is hog farming in North Carolina. When all possible solutions are being considered, there is ONE that would eliminate the problems of animal waste, pollution of our waterways, difficulties for the farms' neighbors, worker injustice, and a whole slew of other problematic situations: Stop. Farming. Pigs. Just stop the whole practice of breeding, farming and slaughtering pigs and all animals, and a whole list of environmental and health issues will go away. It's so simple, really. When we humans choose to make decisions based not on our tastebuds, but on justice, compassion and protection of the environment, the steps we take will have remarkable effects.

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Posted by Anika on 07/27/2017 at 10:02 PM

Re: “The Spirit of Dummkopf

What a genius is V. C. Rogers!!!!

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Posted by Matthew Brown on 07/27/2017 at 4:22 PM

Re: “What About the Pigs?

Thank you to Ellen and Jessica for sharing this horrific reality with Indy Week readers, and thank you to Indy Week for publishing their commentaries. I believe that most people don't know the extent of suffering that nonhuman animals endure through animal agriculture, but the people I interact with on a day to day basis outside the vegan community do care and want to know the truth. Most people don't want to cause needless harm to others. When we can mentally place ourselves in the position of others, including nonhuman animals, we realize that what humans inflict on these sentient beings is unjust. North Carolina has adapted to the changed landscape related to tobacco, and it will adapt as more and more people reject animal agriculture in favor of plant-exclusive agriculture for the betterment of all of us, human and nonhuman. I encourage your readers to visit a farm sanctuary to get to know some of these amazing beings in conditions in which their personalities shine because they have the freedom to express their rich emotional worlds. We have several wonderful sanctuaries in NC.

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Posted by Sena Crutchley on 07/27/2017 at 7:29 AM

Re: “What About the Pigs?

Thank you Ellen and Jessica for speaking up for those with no voice. I've been vegan for over 3 years now, purely for the animals, not for me, not for my health, though the benefits are obviously there. It's not about me, it's about no longer participating in the slaughter and torture of beings who are probably as smart and sentient as my cats who I love. While there are many victims in factory farming, please don't forget the very ones who pay with their lives by the thousands every day.

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Posted by Steve Griffin on 07/26/2017 at 9:05 PM

Re: “What About the Pigs?

Great article! Why don't we care more about pigs? What makes them so different from other animals? It's sort of like the old adage, if a tree falls in a forest, does it make a sound. With pigs, if the consumer is unaware of the immense suffering they endure at a slaughterhouse, is it all OK?

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Posted by Daniel Turbert on 07/26/2017 at 8:45 PM

Re: “What About the Pigs?

Many thanks to Ellen, Jessica, the folks who commented so eloquently above, and those who work to document and describe the conditions endured by pigs and other animals for the sake of a flavor. Thank you to my beloved Indy for sharing this information, albeit a bit late, for the consideration of your readers.

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Posted by sandralee on 07/26/2017 at 8:31 PM

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