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Re: “Sorry Anti-Fluoride Folks, OWASA Will Resume Fluoridation Next Week

K Spencer

1. As usual, you cite studies you have not read, much less understood.

The study you reference is that of Bashash, et al., Utilizing data on urinary fluoride content in pregnant women living in non-fluoridated Mexico, researchers studied the effects on children from prenatal exposure to high levels of fluoride. At this point, this study has no applicability to optimally fluoridated water in the US.

The limitations clearly stated in the study include:

A. A lack of data on urinary fluoride content of pregnant women living in fluoridated areas of the United States. Fluoridation opponents seek to do what the authors, themselves, did not do....compare urinary fluoride content of one population with non-existent data of another.

Finally, our ability to extrapolate our results to how exposures may impact on the general population is limited given the lack of data on fluoride pharmacokinetics during pregnancy. There are no reference values for urinary fluoride in pregnant women in the United States

B. Insufficient information to rule out significant confounders.

Nevertheless, it is not possible to entirely rule out residual confounding or in the population as a whole (that might have been detected had we had full data on larger sample sizes) or bias (should the subpopulations that had the data for analysis have a different fluoridecognition relationship than those participants who were excluded from the analyses).

C. There was no significant effect noted by fluoride exposure on children after birth.

Finally, in models that focused on the cross-sectional relationship between childrens exposure to fluoride (reflected by their specific gravityadjusted urinary fluoride levels) and IQ score and that contained the main covariates of interest, there was not a clear, statistically significant association between contemporaneous childrens urinary fluoride (CUFsg) and IQ either unadjusted or adjusting for MUFcr.

D. Evidence suggested that IQ effects were noted only with prenatal urinary content above 0.8 mg/L.

The associations with GCI appeared to be linear across the range of prenatal exposures, but there was some evidence that associations with IQ may have been limited to exposures above 0.8 mg/L.

E. Results would need to be replicated by independent researchers.

Our findings must be confirmed in other study populations, and additional research is needed to determine how the urine fluoride concentrations measured in our study population are related to fluoride exposures resulting from both intentional supplementation and environmental contamination.

F. Other limitations include the lack of information about iodine in salt, which could modify associations between fluoride and cognition; the lack of data on fluoride content in water given that determination of fluoride content is not reported as part of the water quality monitoring programs in Mexico; and the lack of information on other environmental neurotoxicants such as arsenic.

G. Bashash, et al., utilized the spot collection method of urine collection, rater than the more
accurate 24 hour method.

As noted by Deena Thomas, second author of Bashash, et al:

The spot urine samples we measured cannot account for diurnal variations in urinary fluoride. Previous studies report fluctuations in concentration by time-of-day. 42 which means that the fluoride levels in our samples could be influenced by the time-of-collection or by diet.

Additionally, in her doctoral thesis, Deena Thomas, using the exact data as did Bashash, reported on the effects of prenatal fluoride on children aged 1, 2, and 3. She found no significant effect on these children. Bashash, chose to omit these findings, and instead began their IQ assessment in children 4 years of age.

Obviously, Bashash, et al. had the same data as did Thomas, so why did they omit any reference to children below the age of 4? Too, that Bashash, et al. oddly reported on children 4 years of age and those 6-12 years, begs the question as to why they omitted data from age 5 from their report. Was there insufficient data on that age group, or did that group show no, or positive, impact om neurodevelopment, which would have knocked a hole in their linear progression ?

From Thomas dissertation:

Conclusions: This analysis suggests that maternal intake of fluoride during pregnancy does not have a strong impact on offspring cognitive development in the first three years of life.

Steven D. Slott, DDS
Burlington, NC

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Posted by Steven Slott on 10/06/2017 at 7:36 AM

Re: “Sorry Anti-Fluoride Folks, OWASA Will Resume Fluoridation Next Week

James Reeves - You posted this same comment to an article about the renewal of fluoridation in yesterday's Indy Week. It is still as inaccurate today as it was yesterday.

K Spencer - The OWASA board actually read, understood and acted on legitimate scientific evidence instead of the fear-laced, unsupportable propaganda submitted by fluoridation opponents.

Have you actually read the Hu, et al. IQ study you claim to cite? Like all other such studies used by fluoridation opponents in their attempt to prove drinking optimally fluoridated water causes serious health problems, this one came up with a possible correlation which is nowhere near proof of anything. Like all other such studies, if you had actually read or understood the paper, you would have seen the lack of adjustment for the perhaps dozens of other possible risk factors which might influence IQ like lead, mercury or arsenic levels which were not available for most participants.

Did you read the five paragraphs that described the rather significant limitations of their study? The authors conclusion was that their study might have demonstrated excessive levels of fluoride exposure were associated with lower scores on tests of cognitive function in the offspring at 4 and 612 y old That is not even remotely close to demonstrating a cause and effect relationship.

Already criticisms of this most recent study and examples of the anti-F misuse of the actual conclusions have been published.
https://openparachute.wordpress.com/2017/09/21/fluoride-pregnancy-and-the-iq-of-offspring/ - Ken Perrott seems to have done an excellent preliminary analysis of the study.
http://nationalpost.com/health/researchers-urge-caution-over-study-linking-fluoride-exposure-in-pregnancy-to-lower-iqs-in-children

Nys Cof brought up the IAOM position paper in a comment to the fluoridation article. The IAOM is a fringe group of dentists that has increased their bottom line by advocating the removal of durable, long-lasting amalgam fillings by employing the same types of scare tactics used in the campaign against fluoridation frighten the public into bypassing critical thinking so they will believe your scam. Unfortunately irrational, unjustifiable fear sells a product or idea far more effectively than a careful consideration of all the facts and evidence.

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Posted by Randy Johnson on 10/06/2017 at 1:13 AM

Re: “Heading to Biff Rose Tonight? You Might Want to Check His Website.

Biff Rose is a sad old bore.

Thank you for protecting people from him.

Just kidding, he is a sad old bore but I prefer him to your dumb fucking internet shaming and manufactured outrage.

Please remove the word "Indy" from your name.

You obviously specialize in Orwellian groupthink and newspeak.

You suck more than Biff Rose.

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Posted by Merkley on 10/05/2017 at 11:34 PM

Re: “Durham City Council Votes to Provide Grants to Some Southside Residents Struggling with Property Tax Bills

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Posted by Roger Walker on 10/05/2017 at 8:35 PM

Re: “Sorry Anti-Fluoride Folks, OWASA Will Resume Fluoridation Next Week

I suggest OWASA should read something other than marketing copy.

I recommend the NIH sponsored study published on Sept 19th that verified dozens of previous human studies that found prenatal exposure to fluoride reduces IQ in offspring on a dose-response trend line by six points. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/319500.php

They may also find the updated position paper by an international association of dentists opposing fluoridation educational. Also published in Sept. IAOMT resource page: https://iaomt.org/for-patients/fluoride-facts/

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Posted by K Spencer on 10/05/2017 at 7:02 PM

Re: “Heading to Biff Rose Tonight? You Might Want to Check His Website.

I know that the owners of Neptune's embrace diversity and abhor bigotry. A mistake made? I am sure they think so. They should be applauded for canceling this show.

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Posted by Lisa Lewis on 10/05/2017 at 6:20 PM

Re: “Sorry Anti-Fluoride Folks, OWASA Will Resume Fluoridation Next Week

Some say fluoride helps CHILDRENS teeth as they form. That is certainly questionable, but:
It is important to ask --- exactly why should an ADULT be sentenced to take this toxic chemical, fluoride, in every glass of water every day of life?

Fluoridation results in slow poisoning over a lifetime which causes premature ageing, thyroid damage, dental fluorosis, lowered IQ, ADHD, brittle bones (broken hips & arthritis), kidney damage, cancer and other health dangers.
Read this excellent book, "The Case Against Fluoride" authored by three scientists, one an M.D. It contains over 1200 scientific references, over 80 pages.

So, while 74% of the U.S. is forced to drink fluoridate water, only 5% of the world and only 3% of Europe fluoridate their water. China and Japan have rejected it many years ago.

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Posted by James Reeves on 10/05/2017 at 2:21 PM

Re: “Raleigh City Council Members Agree to Meet October 30 on New Community Engagement Board

As a long-time Raleigh resident, I'd not leave "community engagement" to the city staff because they are pro-development (knowing who helps pay their salaries) by nature. City staff's incompetence, arrogance and biases have been personally observed in their longstanding disrespect and institutional neglect of the neighborhood-based Citizens Advisory Councils. And besides, aren't our elected council members supposed to be engaging the community?

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Posted by citizenshame on 10/05/2017 at 8:02 AM
Posted by Elizabeth A Margolis on 10/02/2017 at 10:20 AM

Re: “Former Gov. Jim Hunt Endorses Raleigh Mayor Nancy McFarlane for Re-election

I will boycott this election, as there is not anyone running who I feel really gets what the top priority needs are for Raleigh. Hunt and McFarlane ate corporatists, not small d democrats.

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Posted by Martha C. Brock on 10/01/2017 at 8:08 AM

Re: “DSI Comedy Owner Steps Down Amid Posts Alleging Sexual Misconduct, 'Toxic Environment'

While I know nothing of his sexual impropriety, other than recent allegations. I can say my past experience with Ward (I'm male), was not a positive one. I took a class a DSI about 10 years ago, a little while before he moved to Boston. Long story short, I enjoyed the class thoroughly, until Zack showed up towards the end. For some reason he appeared to have an issue with me, And was constantly and bizarrely critical of my performance and consistently call me "out" when playing comedy sports. I'm not claiming I was funny, but he went above and beyond to squelch my participation. It instantly soured my experience, and I never returned once the class was over. The experience has always stuck with me as being very odd. Just in general he seemed to be always performing and well... fake. Oh, and not funny, IMO.

Small potatoes in comparison to these allegations, but it gives an insight to his personality. Frankly I'm not surprised by these accounts. Saddened, sickened, but not surprised.

Posted by bumper on 09/29/2017 at 7:59 PM

Re: “Former Gov. Jim Hunt Endorses Raleigh Mayor Nancy McFarlane for Re-election

@snake00 - The mental health article mentions that mental health was cut by the legislature, not the council. Have you talked anyone at Dix? The wage gap is an issue, but from the article it seems like a private market issue. How is the council supposed to fix this? I'm not saying it isn't a problem with the city, but that isn't the focus of the article. Homelessness is a problem and the city is expensive. I can guarantee you Austin, TX has a much worse homeless problem. Have you tried emailing the council? You probably shouldn't call the council slave owners (they aren't) and stop picking articles and twisting the meaning to suit your point of view.

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Posted by Sillyme on 09/29/2017 at 10:01 AM

Re: “Former Gov. Jim Hunt Endorses Raleigh Mayor Nancy McFarlane for Re-election

I don't disagree that McFarlane and the City could have handled Dix better, but expecting a dollar-free transfer of Dix to the City was unrealistic. I don't accept the analogy of NCSU and Centennial Campus. NCSU is fundamentally part of the State. The City of Raleigh is not. Furthermore, NCSU has all kinds of friends on Jones Street. Raleigh has no friends there beyond the people that Raleigh voters send to Jones Street. Apples and oranges.

Meanwhile the Francis campaign seems to have stalled out, so this point is irrelevant anyway.

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Posted by ct on 09/29/2017 at 8:35 AM

Re: “Former Gov. Jim Hunt Endorses Raleigh Mayor Nancy McFarlane for Re-election

@sayitaintso maybe you should ask the people that worked at Dorothea Dix what they think of the purchase. You should also ask the business owners downtown who know that the park site will have space that is used for condos. Mental health has been cut that is a fact, https://www.northcarolinahealthnews.org/20…

Our area has a wage gap higher than Boston and Austin, that is a fact Indy week reported on here so that is a fact https://www.indyweek.com/news/archives/201…

Homelessness has gone up, that is a fact as well http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/…

have you been downtown lately? How many homeless veterans do you know? How many businesses downtown have you seen discriminate against them? Have you seen the rising number of people with mental illnesses who are now homeless? I have educated myself well enough thanks!

It's a shame that parks are a bigger priority for our city leaders than people but I am not surprised. To me they are nothing but modern day slave owners.

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Posted by snake00 on 09/28/2017 at 4:49 PM

Re: “Former Gov. Jim Hunt Endorses Raleigh Mayor Nancy McFarlane for Re-election

@snake00 - Maybe you should look into what is going on at Dorothea Dix. Do you even know what it is actually used for these days? I'm pretty sure mental health wasn't cut due to the Dix purchase and no condos or houses will be built there. It is a park for the people of Raleigh to use. Please educate yourself. Could you also provide some sources for the stats you provided?

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Posted by sayitaintso on 09/28/2017 at 4:16 PM

Re: “Former Gov. Jim Hunt Endorses Raleigh Mayor Nancy McFarlane for Re-election

Child homelessness is up 50% in Wake County, the Wage gap in the area is higher than it is in Boston and Austin. We have people in city council who think moving the central prison to another location just like they did with Dorothea Dix to make way for nice houses and to make the area "look nice" is a good idea. Mental health is being cut and it's looking like our city council under Mcfarlane cares more about bike lanes and overpriced farm to table restaurants ran by bigots like Scott Crawford than mental health. And your telling me Indy Week supports this? The people running in this cycle for the most part do not have a real platform addressing these very real issues to the majority of the city and not just the 1% who live Downtown. It's no wonder voter turnout will be low.

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Posted by snake00 on 09/28/2017 at 1:07 PM

Re: “Former Gov. Jim Hunt Endorses Raleigh Mayor Nancy McFarlane for Re-election

Mr. Hunt obviously does not attend or watch city council meetings.

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Posted by Elliot Nelson on 09/28/2017 at 8:25 AM

Re: “Former Gov. Jim Hunt Endorses Raleigh Mayor Nancy McFarlane for Re-election

"Her handling of Dix Park was masterful."

Is this a joke? Rather than negotiate successfully for hundreds of acres for free -- like NCSU did with its two Centennial Campus gifts from the state -- the City of Raleigh paid top dollar.

Even worse, the purchase was so botched that it was first set up as a long-term lease with a weak purchase option. Only when there was a public outcry did McFarlane change course and seek an outright purchase of the remaining Dix property -- rather than an expensive lease that would have left the city with nothing at contract's end.

Surely this whole Dix purchase was a poorly handled fiasco, when it should have been a straightforward matter of negotiating the purchase price and then financing it with bond money.

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Posted by citizenshame on 09/28/2017 at 2:17 AM

Re: “Protesters Renew Calls for Change at the Durham Jail—This Time Through Song

Why do you keep reporting on the antics of these groups? They show a "professionals" touch on how to get publicity but they represent no one but themselves.

Sheriff Andrews does a great job and is unfairly attacked by these extremist hacks.

The County commissioners appear to fear them because they might influence the Commissioners' self proclaimed masters at the PA

And don't even mention the Human Relations Commission which acts as an enabler for these groups.

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Posted by MJKopechne on 09/27/2017 at 5:46 PM

Re: “Live: Top-Notch Bluegrass from the Soggy Bottom Boys in O Brother Mode

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