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Posted by Terry Mancour on 05/24/2018 at 6:14 PM

Re: “Throughout North Carolina, Charter Schools Are Creating Racial Imbalances and Disrupting Public Education. One Durham Charter Wants to Be Part of the Solution.

Terry,

equity
noun
1.the quality of being fair and impartial.

Research has shown unequivocally that emotions degrade critical thinking abilities dramatically. Your responses make my argument for me. Welcome to being part of the problem.

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Posted by where's the beef? on 05/24/2018 at 6:10 PM

Re: “Throughout North Carolina, Charter Schools Are Creating Racial Imbalances and Disrupting Public Education. One Durham Charter Wants to Be Part of the Solution.

At the risk of devolving the conversation, the point you are making rests on conceding that "equity" is a) reasonably definable to all (opportunities? outcomes?) which it isn't, b) that it is the public school systems' role to enforce social/economic equity (with a healthy dose of indoctrination) instead of educating our children in ways that will make them the most productive citizens possible, and c) that "everyone has a stake in equity". While the last may be, technically, true, as a parent of a school-age child one must ask "is my commitment to some vague sense of unobtainable equity more important to me than seeing my child in a successful and safe learning environment?" The fact is, a great many parents would not concede to any of those arguments, for a variety of reasons. Social stratification has always existed, and will always exist; while striving for upward mobility as a community is an admirable goal, and we should (theoretically) be able to depend on our public school system to help us achieve it, clearly there has been a failure in public school systems in that regard. Nor would I consider my words overly-emotional. Like many parents, I've given a tremendous amount of thought to my children's academic and professional futures. Considering their lives may well depend upon their education at some point, I tend to take that sort of thing seriously. When matters of safety and security are added into the equation, then the issue rises beyond the academic. Me, and parents like me, aren't "overly emotional", we're justifiably passionate about our children's futures. Our duty is to them, not to some abstract concept of equity that's just as likely to punish them for their achievements as reward them. That tends to make us passionate, as well it should.

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Posted by Terry Mancour on 05/24/2018 at 4:47 PM

Re: “Six Months After Becoming Durham’s Mayor, Steve Schewel Has a Lot to Say

@Sam M-B, Brian Howe was a freelancer until January 2014.

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Posted by Susan Harper, INDY Publisher on 05/24/2018 at 3:19 PM

Re: “As White Students Leave Traditional Public Schools in Orange County, Minorities Are Paying for Charter Schools That Don’t Serve Them

In North Carolina charter schools are held to a different standard than public schools. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but it leaves some room for problems if their financial model does not work. In 2011, the National Alliance for Public Charter Schools ranked North Carolina's charter school law 32 out of 41 states with charter school laws, with poor marks for accountability, equity of funding, and the low cap of 100 schools in the state.

Since 2011 the GA has removed the 100 school cap and strengthened the laws and standards based on a 2016 report: https://www.ncleg.net/documentsites/commit…

As of 2016, there were 158 charter schools, located in 62 school districts and 59 counties, are currently open and serving 81,951 students.

Charter schools are:

not required to provide transportation for students.

not required to provide breakfast or lunch for students.

allowed to serve students from other counties.

may target certain students through admissions set-asides.

allowed to craft a schedule and calendar different from the traditional 180-day school calendar.

have a maximum funded enrollment, if the applications exceed the cap, then students are admitted through a lottery. Once admitted they do not need to reapply though the lottery.

allowed to have non-certified teachers.

allowed to employ teachers on short-term contracts.


Comment: The model is still being refined and the performance standards are still not complete. Choice is good, however a full and thorough parental analysis is important to success.

I agree the article is biased, for example Orange County has a "hold harmless" provision that makes up the funding difference for the county school system. However based on the very poor record of maintenance, having to float a bond for repairs we may see that "hold harmless" has limits.

I do not think there is an appreciable per capita difference between OC schools and Chapel Hill when it comes to discipline problems. I'd like to see the reporters source on that statistic.

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Posted by where's the beef? on 05/24/2018 at 3:18 PM

Re: “As White Students Leave Traditional Public Schools in Orange County, Minorities Are Paying for Charter Schools That Don’t Serve Them

This article is very biased and quite frankly, unfair. What is wrong with having school choice?
Yes, funding does follow the student, as it should, since it's for the student. The success of a Charter School comes from the dedication and hard work of it's teachers, administrators and parents who work tirelessly for the students without the same financial backing that Public Schools have. Implying that Charter Schools are racist is offensive, not to mention, they help with the over-crowded problem in public schools. I'm so thankful my daughter had the opportunity to attend one.

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Posted by LunaBelle on 05/24/2018 at 2:11 PM

Re: “Throughout North Carolina, Charter Schools Are Creating Racial Imbalances and Disrupting Public Education. One Durham Charter Wants to Be Part of the Solution.

Terry, I am nor "railing" against anything. I am simply stating fact. The point you seem to miss is that its not someone else's idea of equity, everyone has a stake in equity because it is essential to our society. There is an extraordinary transformation taking place in our economy and society and everyone's children will need to deal with it.

It's in our nature to seek things that reflect our status and values. We see and hear what we want to and ignore that which is counter. That serves to divide us.

While we agree the public school system is broken, your overly emotional comments fly in the face of the critical thinking you claim to want for your children. If the best you can do is "contrive" your own children's education then you are leaving your children a legacy of evermore ridged social stratification that will hurt them no matter where they fall in pile.

I am not offering a solution here, only comment. I liken the public schools a bit to health care. From an economic perspective it's a problem of allocation of limited resources among actors. People pretty much agree the best achievable model is universal coverage. The debate is how to get there.

Myself, I was home schooled many years ago, in a place far away when parents had time to gather resources, build a coherent syllabus and spend the necessary time with their children. I think it has served me well, but I do admit to being more candid than others in my responses. Perhaps that's my personality, perhaps I would have been less edgy with more socialization.

I am not sure the level of effort necessary to home school is possible due to time constraints. I am not sure charter schools are the solution, but I agree they are part of it. I do think it is important to acknowledge that charter schools are a social and economic experiment though.

Ask yourself who broke the public education system? How was that accomplished? What do you think the motive was? Do you think the best solution lies in everyone for themselves? Why?

Then ask your children the same questions.

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Posted by where's the beef? on 05/24/2018 at 1:40 PM

Re: “Spectacular, Spectacular! A Simul-Cinema Tribute to Moulin Rouge

Can't wait!!

Posted by virginiascare on 05/24/2018 at 11:46 AM

Re: “Throughout North Carolina, Charter Schools Are Creating Racial Imbalances and Disrupting Public Education. One Durham Charter Wants to Be Part of the Solution.

My interest as a parent is investing in my child's future to the best of my ability, not ensuring someone else's idea of equity. I have a duty as a parent to provide the best-possible education I can secure for my child, and that duty supercedes notions of class. I have but one chance to prepare my child for the future, and do so in a safe and secure learning environment. That holds true whether I'm upper class or working class. Any parent who sees this as their sacred duty is going to make the best choices, in their opinion and within the options available. If the only way to ensure equity is to remove all options, then you will see parents exercise their rights to homeschool instead. In my experience, the divide between the charter and the public schools is not as much based in race or class, but in the parents' commitment to ensure the best-possible education and preparation for their children. Where strong cultural elements propel a family toward academic excellence, economic mobility, administrative accountability, a safe and secure learning environment, or a particular operating philosophy (such as "unapologetically progressive") that family is going to seek out options outside of the public school system, which is demonstrably lacking in all those. While you may rail against the wealthy "passing wealth and privilege" to their heirs, those of us of modest means have little to give our children but the best education we can contrive for them. In this case, that includes the healthy competition the charter schools have given DPS.

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Posted by Terry Mancour on 05/24/2018 at 10:45 AM

Re: “Six Months After Becoming Durham’s Mayor, Steve Schewel Has a Lot to Say

Re: "even though no one on the current editorial staff worked here while he owned the paper":

Brian Howe (current Managing Arts and Culture Editor) was working at the Indy since at least 2006, hasn't he? (Or were his articles from that pre-2012 time period more as a freelancer than as a full employee?)

Posted by Sam M-B on 05/24/2018 at 10:43 AM

Re: “Swedish Sadness: Ikea Pulls Out of Cary

Just like a bad relationship.....

Posted by arthurb3 on 05/24/2018 at 10:03 AM

Re: “Meet a Forgotten Legend of New Orleans Jazz in British Artist John Akomfrah's Precarity at the Nasher

Any plans to bring Precarity to New Orleans?

Posted by Mary Deemer Magee on 05/24/2018 at 9:07 AM

Re: “Throughout North Carolina, Charter Schools Are Creating Racial Imbalances and Disrupting Public Education. One Durham Charter Wants to Be Part of the Solution.

The comment above illustrates well the dilemma parents and students are in. The choice between a deteriorating status quo and an experimental crap shoot.

The class divide is toxic, and it is nearing the place where it cannot be spanned. Upward mobility has stalled. This inequality entrenches itself through both financial and invidious non-financial forms of wealth and power. The most obvious are an education and a stable, safe family life. The upper class has institutionalized passing wealth and privilege along to their heirs at the expense of other peoples children.

It is entirely possible to get a good education at the many schools that arent in the top tier system. But the bad ones are really are bad for your kids future. I hate to say it, but your children _are_ a social and economic experiment.

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Posted by where's the beef? on 05/24/2018 at 8:40 AM

Re: “Abandoned mobile homes plague North Carolina

Looking for abandoned homes in the Lee County area in North Carolina

Posted by Derek Williams on 05/24/2018 at 8:28 AM

Re: “Throughout North Carolina, Charter Schools Are Creating Racial Imbalances and Disrupting Public Education. One Durham Charter Wants to Be Part of the Solution.

Reintegrating charter schools back into the DPS system is an abysmal idea. If the parents and children of Durham were happy with DPS in the first place, there would be no need for charter schools. Unfortunately, articles such as this demonstrate how DPS is far more interested in social engineering than academic excellence or life preparation. Despite a few special programs for elite learners in a few specific subjects, DPS's lackluster performance, both on paper and in the experience of the parents and children, is why the charter schools program was originally demanded. Those of us who have experienced both charter schools and DPS schools are protective of charters for a reason: we pay the highest property taxes in the state. We should have a choice of decent schools for that money. That includes schools that are "unapologetically progressive", where kindergartners talk about race, and schools that are unapologetically dedicated to critical thinking, numbers, letters, and vocabulary. Our children are not a social experiment.

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Posted by Terry Mancour on 05/24/2018 at 12:52 AM

Re: “As White Students Leave Traditional Public Schools in Orange County, Minorities Are Paying for Charter Schools That Don’t Serve Them

From my viewpoint Mr. Crawford has it right, too bad he wasnt elected in the primary.

The delusion of merit creates public school policies that stratify divide and impoverish instead of teaching, uniting and enriching. The truth is public schools are failing because the economics of education has been reduced to a private good; its only justified by future salary and social status. People on the lower end of the Gatsby curve pull their kids from public schools because they are being treated unfairly and they see an economic opportunity. People at the higher end of the Gatsby curve pull their kids from public schools because there is a clear economic advantage and they want to maintain their status. The motive and ability to game the system has become the new test of merit.

The real tragedy is that the parents concerned enough to do this at both ends of the Gatsby curve are the very parents that care to be involved and could potentially fix the public education system. Too bad their kids only get one chance and would have to endure the broken system in the meantime. The child rearing imperative further reduces the public education system to the lowest common denominator.

A genuine education opens minds and creates good citizens and until it does the flight of people who care will continue.

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Posted by where's the beef? on 05/23/2018 at 10:49 AM

Re: “Find Your Own Life Philosophy in a Pair of Big-Name Country Gigs This Weekend

Really? That's how you see the choice? A splintered table full of mud and barbed wire or a lovely table full of gold and donuts? Others may differ- me, being one of them. How about, instead, framing it as a choice between country and twang pop? I mean, Sugarland is fine and all - catchy little twang pop tunes with as much meaning and chewiness as a glazed doughnut, but they are not "country". And there's so much more to Willie, et al, than "pain".

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Posted by etsisk on 05/23/2018 at 9:59 AM

Re: “An Old Hedge-Fund Billionaire Just Bought the Carolina Panthers, And We’re OK With That

"Was he known for being rude and abusive to his employees"

https://deadspin.com/the-hedge-fund-orc-buying-the-panthers-used-to-berate-e-1826041028

Yeah, totally different from the panthers current owner! And when this billionaire goes to the city, county, or state and begs for taxpayer money to further renovate or build a new stadium and threaten to move the team, I'm sure Indy will still talk of him so glowingly.

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Posted by lewiskr451 on 05/22/2018 at 8:56 AM

Re: “Durham Residents Will Get to Tell the City How to Spend $2.4 Million

Middleton and Schewel were right to vote no. We elected the city council to make decisions on the budget - not to cede their power to an unelected board that will soak up $304,000 in admin costs. That $304,000 could have been spent on actual projects.

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Posted by Durham451 on 05/22/2018 at 7:43 AM

Re: “Movie Review: Deadpool Is Spider-Man But With Nudity, Gore and No Fourth Wall

This review is idiotic.

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Posted by Fillum Critick on 05/22/2018 at 12:14 AM

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