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Re: “Cry of Love vocalist Kelly Holland died depressed, but not alone

I met Kelly and Audley once at a small venue in Portland Oregon at a Cheap Trick Concert in 1993 or 1994. I cannot remember. They were the opening band and totally captivated the crowd. They both came to the bar area of the venue after playing. We shared some beers together and I knew that there was something terribly wrong with Kelly, but god damn could he make you smile, laugh, and you knew that if you were buddies with him it would be a wild ride. He was that Charismatic! Audley was the opposite. Calm cool and very humble. We watched Cheap Trick and they both watched with me as fans of the band. It was a good night. I'll never forget Kelly! RIP

Posted by Brian Johnson 1 on 10/05/2017 at 6:15 PM

Re: “OWASA Will Soon Reintroduce Fluoride Into Its Water Supply. Critics Say the Authority Is Unethically Acting Without Their Informed Consent.

Thank you Sarah for writing this fair article about our efforts locally here. And Alex wonderful photograph.
One stipulation I had with the article was in paragraph six. Where you said that Owasa has not seen any compelling evidence to overturn this practice.
We actually have provided them so much legitimate information, resources and studies from legitimate schools, and large organizations such as the NIH. But unfortunately they either chose to ignore all of our information, not read it or disregarded altogether.
Anyway it's great to have this press especially for the community. This is the type of journalism I always regarded the Indy for covering in the past. Thank you. Micah Intrator - clean water advocate.

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Posted by Micah Intrator on 10/05/2017 at 4:49 PM

Re: “Sorry Anti-Fluoride Folks, OWASA Will Resume Fluoridation Next Week

Some say fluoride helps CHILDRENS teeth as they form. That is certainly questionable, but:
It is important to ask --- exactly why should an ADULT be sentenced to take this toxic chemical, fluoride, in every glass of water every day of life?

Fluoridation results in slow poisoning over a lifetime which causes premature ageing, thyroid damage, dental fluorosis, lowered IQ, ADHD, brittle bones (broken hips & arthritis), kidney damage, cancer and other health dangers.
Read this excellent book, "The Case Against Fluoride" authored by three scientists, one an M.D. It contains over 1200 scientific references, over 80 pages.

So, while 74% of the U.S. is forced to drink fluoridate water, only 5% of the world and only 3% of Europe fluoridate their water. China and Japan have rejected it many years ago.

4 likes, 5 dislikes
Posted by James Reeves on 10/05/2017 at 2:21 PM

Re: “Nancy McFarlane Presides Over a Thriving City. Charles Francis Says She Doesn’t Deserve the Credit.

We have had enough boosterism with McFarlane as Raleigh mayor and Baldwin on the council these past several years...I like that Francis appears more focused on real (but chronically neglected) problems and real solutions, rather than the band-aids McFarlane prefers, with almost reverent deference to the city manager and city staff.

Bottom line: McFarlane thinks tearing down our affordable housing stock is good. At least Francis isn't so sure about it and willing to talk serious solutions.

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Posted by citizenshame on 10/05/2017 at 12:26 PM

Re: “OWASA Will Soon Reintroduce Fluoride Into Its Water Supply. Critics Say the Authority Is Unethically Acting Without Their Informed Consent.

Nys Cof and other fluoridation opponents (FOs) are notorious for employing various scare-mongering techniques like making a general claim completely out of context for the singular purpose of inducing fear instead of encouraging a thoughtful, accurate evaluation of evidence.

Water is Hazardous to Your Health! This is as accurate a statement as the one used by Nys Cof about fluoride. Of course, like Nys Cof's claim, it completely ignores the fact that absolutely any substance can be hazardous to ones health at high enough exposure levels even those that are beneficial or essential to health at lower exposure levels like oxygen, sodium, chlorine, iodine, potassium, vitamins, caffeine, etc., etc.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/strange-but-true-drinking-too-much-water-can-kill/

Fact the scientific consensus of relevant experts is what continues to support the conclusion of over 70 years that fluoridation is a safe and effective public health measure for reducing dental decay. The so-called evidence put forth by FOs has not been of sufficient quality or reproducibility to change that consensus, and most of what is presented as evidence (including the recent US study) is simply a disingenuous misrepresentation of actual study results which have never proved that drinking optimally fluoridated water has caused any harm unless someone suffered the harm from exposure to excessive H2O molecules.

The IAOM is a fringe group of dentists that has increased their bottom line by advocating the removal of durable, long-lasting amalgam fillings by employing the same types of scare tactics used in the campaign against fluoridation frighten the public into bypassing critical thinking so they will believe your scam. Unfortunately irrational, unjustifiable fear sells a product or idea far more effectively than a careful consideration of all the facts and evidence.

http://thebloggingdentist.com/?p=238
When Dr. Oz uses the term mercury filling hes pointing out the scary, toxic ingredient of the filling. Thats used to frame the discussion, so right away someone who isnt thinking critically is thinking, whoa, I didnt know they placed mercury fillings!
http://www.ada.org/en/about-the-ada/ada-positions-policies-and-statements/statement-on-dental-amalgam
Dental amalgam is considered a safe, affordable and durable material that has been used to restore the teeth of more than 100 million Americans.

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Posted by Randy Johnson on 10/05/2017 at 11:47 AM

Re: “OWASA Will Soon Reintroduce Fluoride Into Its Water Supply. Critics Say the Authority Is Unethically Acting Without Their Informed Consent.

How can you people be running around with dictionaries and chemical representations and all, and not understand the difference between free anions of fluorine, and the chemical compounds sodium fluoride or sodium monofluorophosphate, which are the predominant ones used for fluoride in water systems?

OMG SUGAR HAS HYDROGEN IN IT WHY ARE WE EATING HIGHLY FLAMMABLE CHEMICALS?!?!?!??!

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Posted by Mark Neill on 10/05/2017 at 10:59 AM

Re: “OWASA Will Soon Reintroduce Fluoride Into Its Water Supply. Critics Say the Authority Is Unethically Acting Without Their Informed Consent.

Fluoride is Hazardous to Your Health - Modern science proves that ingesting fluoride is ineffective at reducing tooth decay, harmful to health and a waste of money. Politic$ not science keeps fluoridation afloat. A recent US study links pregnant women's fluoride levels to their offspring's low IQ. This study adds to 300+ studies linking fluoride to neurotoxic effects - even at low levels allowed in public water supplies - the same water that is used to make many of the foods and beverages you purchase in restaurants and supermarkets. http://fluoridealert.org/articles/fluoride…

Yesterday, an International Dentists' group, the International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology issued a news release urging the end of fluoridation
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/fl…

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Posted by Nys Cof on 10/05/2017 at 9:19 AM

Re: “Raleigh City Council Members Agree to Meet October 30 on New Community Engagement Board

As a long-time Raleigh resident, I'd not leave "community engagement" to the city staff because they are pro-development (knowing who helps pay their salaries) by nature. City staff's incompetence, arrogance and biases have been personally observed in their longstanding disrespect and institutional neglect of the neighborhood-based Citizens Advisory Councils. And besides, aren't our elected council members supposed to be engaging the community?

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Posted by citizenshame on 10/05/2017 at 8:02 AM

Re: “A New Exhibit Lays Bare How White Privilege Has Influenced Durham’s Past and Present

Thanks for this article, Indy and SarahW. I appreciate this important exhibit being brought to my attention. As another new arrival to Durham, I too am interested in learning about the history of this place.

Posted by Mr_JT on 10/05/2017 at 4:08 AM

Re: “John Burns Is Right: The President Is a White Supremacist.

Burns for Governor in 2024.

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Posted by ct on 10/04/2017 at 7:16 PM

Re: “OWASA Will Soon Reintroduce Fluoride Into Its Water Supply. Critics Say the Authority Is Unethically Acting Without Their Informed Consent.

Randy,
I'll admit that I didn't read you post, but since you probably pointed out that fluoridation is endorsed by certain groups, I'll point out that endorsing something is much easier than un-endorsing it. Unless you think that people like admitting they were wrong, but I have never met any of those people.

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Posted by David Green on 10/04/2017 at 6:08 PM

Re: “Ex Libris Gave Us One Simple Idea: Put the Librarians in Charge of the Country

Librarians in charge? America could do a lot worse. Oh wait, we *are* doing a lot worse. Now "shush".

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Posted by Dave Connelly on 10/04/2017 at 3:56 PM

Re: “OWASA Will Soon Reintroduce Fluoride Into Its Water Supply. Critics Say the Authority Is Unethically Acting Without Their Informed Consent.

Poor Randy Johnson. He runs his mouth and seems to earn his pay (by the word) and refusing to read any of the 1200 scientific references I and others present showing the dangers of fluoridation.

The big money industries profit ($200 million annually) by selling their toxic waste fluoride to communities.
The 70 year old science of forced fluoridation is simply wrong and dangerous, but other big money schemes with the wrong science hung on for years, like tobacco, DDT, DES, lead in paint and gasoline, Red Dye No. 40, and asbestos. We eventually learned the truth in each case. Because something has been used for years is no reason to keep using it after evidence of its potential harm to people, animals, or the environment.
So, it will take some time to overcome the fluoridation scheme.

Put fluoride in your own water. Leave mine alone.

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Posted by James Reeves on 10/04/2017 at 2:47 PM

Re: “OWASA Will Soon Reintroduce Fluoride Into Its Water Supply. Critics Say the Authority Is Unethically Acting Without Their Informed Consent.

The comments by David Green and James Reeves provide a perfect example of another false and disingenuous tactic of fluoridation opponents (FOs) claiming drinking water fluoridation is a form of medication. That is nothing more than their unsupportable opinion. You will never see any proof of this claim because there is none.

Carefully consider Greens question, Is adding fluoride intended to have an effect on health? Yes, as are all medical interventions. Both his question and answer are absurd.

By his definition the disinfection of drinking water using the chemical weapon chlorine (or its toxic cousins sodium hypochlorite or chloramine) which has a beneficial effect on health would also be a medical intervention. Has the public been asked for their individual consent to this treatment and the formation of toxic disinfection byproducts? No of course not.

Fluoridation is just one of the water treatment methods, like disinfection, pH adjustment, corrosion control and coagulation/flocculation. All water treatment processes require the addition of chemicals which are toxic at high enough exposure levels, but they are carefully regulated to be within safe levels in the resulting drinking water. The benefits of all water treatment methods to protect and improve health far outweigh any risks, and if someone does not like to ingest any of the chemicals in tap water (added, created or natural) they are free to remove those contaminants or find their water elsewhere.

In fact, the FDA (which regulates medications) regulates bottled water which can contain the same levels of fluoride ions as optimally fluoridated water (0.7 ppm) as a "Food for Human Consumption" - NOT a medication. Anyone (even a child) can purchase cases of fluoridated bottled water without a prescription, and no warning labels of possible over exposure are required. The entire fluoride = medication argument is false and irrelevant and highlights the lengths FOs will go to when there is no legitimate evidence to support their self-inflicted, paranoid opinions.

Reeves continues to promote an un-scientific, un-reviewed anti-F propaganda piece, TCAF. A quick read of the TCAF reveals that there are not anywhere near 1200 unique legitimate scientific references. In fact, many TV programs/videos, other books, letters, personal communications and newspaper articles are listed as scientific literature. That is a work of desperation, not science

TCAF is authored by several of the more vocal anti-F outliers. Outliers in the scientific community are those who dismiss the legitimacy of the scientific consensus created by the majority of relevant experts. The outlier opinions are often driven by strong personal beliefs. If those beliefs provide the foundation for legitimate scientific research which produces accurate, unbiased, reproducible evidence contrary to the consensus, the consensus will change. The scientific consensus that fluoridation is a beneficial, safe and effective public health measure (like the consensus that water disinfection is beneficial) has not changed despite more than 70 years of challenges by FOs.

The scientific consensus is the reason over 100 national and international science and health organizations (and their thousands of members) -- as well as six Surgeons General since 1982 continue to recognize the public health benefit of fluoridation as a safe and effective method to reduce dental decay and associated health problems. These organizations include The WHO, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Medical Association and the American Dental Association.
~> Search on ada fluoridation facts compendium and I like my teeth what do water fluoridation supporters say?

I am aware of no national or international science or health organizations that publically support the anti-F opinions.

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Posted by Randy Johnson on 10/04/2017 at 2:14 PM

Re: “OWASA Will Soon Reintroduce Fluoride Into Its Water Supply. Critics Say the Authority Is Unethically Acting Without Their Informed Consent.

Wow! OWASA is FORCING people to drink their water? How is that possible?

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Posted by John Trololo on 10/04/2017 at 12:11 PM

Re: “The United States of Guns: The Deadliest Mass Shootings Since Columbine

Seven of the eleven listed, if I got the count right, occurred during President Obama's tenure in office. Why didn't he do something???

1 like, 2 dislikes
Posted by John Trololo on 10/04/2017 at 12:02 PM

Re: “One Fish, Two Fish, Local Fish, Ugly Fish

What is "ugly" and extremely cruel is animal abuse. Science has shown that fishes are sentient, they suffer fear and pain. Fishing causes immense fear and pain to these sentient beings. All of the nutrients we need in order to thrive can be obtained more healthfully, humanely, and environmentally responsibly from plant sources. Needlessly harming animals for food or any other reason is animal abuse: plain, inhumane, and unjustifiable.

If you want seafood please opt from among the many marvelous vegan versions there are of virtually every type of seafood imaginable. They're better for us, for the other animals, and for the environment, and they're delicious! http://fishfeel.org/seafood/

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Posted by MaryF on 10/04/2017 at 10:38 AM

Re: “The INDY Endorses Kay Crowder for Raleigh City Council District D

My observation as a long-time District D resident is that if you're a constituant that Kay Crowder agrees with, you're golden. But if she doesn't agree with you, you're screwed. Just ask the 78% of the residents who live on the 1200-block of Lorimer Road who don't want a sidewalk how they feel about having one foisted on them anyway! (You can find two INDY articles on the subject using the Search bar above.)

So much for Crowder's dedication to preserving the character of Raleigh's older neighborhoods...

Posted by David Simonton on 10/04/2017 at 10:24 AM

Re: “OWASA Will Soon Reintroduce Fluoride Into Its Water Supply. Critics Say the Authority Is Unethically Acting Without Their Informed Consent.

Some say fluoride helps CHILDRENS teeth as they form. That is certainly questionable, but:
It is important to ask --- exactly why should an ADULT be sentenced to take this toxic chemical, fluoride, in every glass of water every day of life?

Fluoridation results in slow poisoning over a lifetime which causes premature ageing, thyroid damage, dental fluorosis, lowered IQ, ADHD, brittle bones (broken hips & arthritis), kidney damage, cancer and other health dangers.
Read this excellent book, "The Case Against Fluoride" authored by three scientists, one an M.D. It contains over 1200 scientific references, over 80 pages.

So, while 74% of the U.S. is forced to drink fluoridate water, only 5% of the world and only 3% of Europe fluoridate their water. China and Japan have rejected it many years ago.

5 likes, 10 dislikes
Posted by James Reeves on 10/04/2017 at 10:22 AM

Re: “Durham Commissioners Consider Adding a New “City-Center” Light-Rail Stop Downtown

For pete's sake add a stop at the Airport, otherwise the system is setting itself up to fail!

11 likes, 9 dislikes
Posted by Karl Fetter on 10/04/2017 at 10:18 AM

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