Comments On: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves by Matt Saldaña

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

supernova — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:56:27 -0400

Since the issue in which the article in questions was written "the pink issue" perhaps ILLEGAL could have been inbolded and inserted in pink in front of immigration in every instance within the story. I am neither left or right of this conversation.
Posted by supernova

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

dumbfounded — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:06:36 -0400

Sorry to be a run-on here but stumbled onto this info and thought it might be a useful read for you JohnD, Matt, Mongo, and others...Forget about demonizing the author and just read the reviews...facts are still facts no matter where you find them!

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=The+New+Case+Against+Immigration%2C+Both+Legal+and+Illegal&x=13&y=20
Posted by dumbfounded

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

dumbfounded — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:03:49 -0400

JohnD (and others) here's a little teaser to get your research started off on the right foot. I hope a government report will be compelling enough to whet your appitite for more.
Posted by dumbfounded

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

dumbfounded — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:06:57 -0400

Thanks for the heads-up Denise. My bad for overlooking the mice type.

Well JohnD, you got me you did.
Posted by dumbfounded

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

JohnD — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:48:33 -0400

Well, Whoisthat? I don't really disagree with much that you said in your most recent post. I agree that an F1 Visa adds no real value and since it adds no value, the next logical conclusion is that we shouldn't do it.
Posted by JohnD

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

Whoisthat? — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:08:27 -0400

what benefit does an F-1 visa provide? How does that contribute anything meaningful other than giving some bureaucrat a job shuffling more meaningless pieces of paper?

Nothing really, in my opinion.
Posted by Whoisthat?

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

JohnD — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:09:33 -0400

Well, as with many of things you've felt it "safe to assume", you are incorrect. I am not an Indy staffer.
Posted by JohnD

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

Denise, Indy Editorial Web Director — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:07:32 -0400

dumbfounded: while html is certainly magical, it's not "self-initiating." here are the tags for what you're looking to do:

to start a paragraph, type < p > (without the spaces; i have to use spaces here, or else i'll just get a paragraph break)
to end a paragraph, type < /p > (without the spaces)
to start bolding, type < b > (without the spaces)
to end bolding, type < /b > (without the spaces)

Posted by Denise Prickett, INDY Editorial Web Director

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

dumbfounded — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:34:02 -0400

Well, so much for not being able to bold the font. Appears to be self-initiating so maybe you aren't an Indy staffer after all.
Posted by dumbfounded

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

dumbfounded — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:29:45 -0400

Wow JohnD, you sure did a lot of research! If you had bothered instead to simply refer to my reply to Mongo you could have saved yourself some trouble!
Posted by dumbfounded

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

JohnD — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:32:51 -0400

Well, Dumbfounded you have made a couple of incorrect assumptions. The most egregious error is that you assume since I pose a question that I have not researched the answer.
Posted by JohnD

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Concerned Father — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:52:56 -0400

Over the next two decades, the 80,000,000 Americans born between 1946 and 1963 (the "Baby Boomers") will be retiring from the U.S. work force. Who will make up the loss to our work force and our economy?
Posted by Concerned Father

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

dumbfounded — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:14:01 -0400

Morning JohnD! First, thank you for your 8 year contribution in service to our country.
Posted by dumbfounded

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

JohnD — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:03:59 -0400

Anyone can explain to me why an undocumented immigrant, who pays property and sales taxes, which are unavoidable, can't attend community college? In which way is he "taking a away a place" from an American citizen?

Whoisthat? responds They can attend college, as long as they get an F-1 visa like all of the other non-citizens who attend our universities.
Posted by JohnD

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

JohnD — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:55:35 -0400

Dumbfounded Glad to hear you enjoyed my post, but where do you get the idea that I am liberal? By most measures, I actually am a conservative Republican.
Posted by JohnD

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

dumbfounded — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:01:13 -0400

Mongo, here is the answer to your questions: Title 8, U.S.C. 1324 Harboring: Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation.
Posted by dumbfounded

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Whoisthat? — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:19:43 -0400

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

dumbfounded — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:19:10 -0400

Thanks for the usual depth of insight JohnD (smiling big now)! Bet you and AndyP ("P" for potato head)are lapping up overpriced beers together at the local watering hole this afternoon, while patting each other on the back for all the points you scored proving yourselves intellectually challenged.
Posted by dumbfounded

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

JohnD — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:58:27 -0400

Dumbfounded Good to see you again! You went and changed your named didn't you?
Posted by JohnD

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AndyP — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:00:09 -0400

Just like the conservatives to not think of the future (e.g., environmental policies, energy resources, education, women's rights, emergency preparedness), thereby debilitating our society and pissing me off. Consider a few generations from now, when the grandchildren of these "illegal immigrants", who left extreme poverty to risk their lives and the well-being of their families at home (only severe desperation could justify such risk), are grown, and surely filling our streets with homelessness, our prisons with criminals, our slums with poor requiring government assistance - a permanent class of poor, uneducated PEOPLE, who have come to this position because of the lack of opportunities of them and their parents to learn, to work, and to become productive members of a rich and colorful society.
Posted by AndyP

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

dumbfounded — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:13:46 -0400

Hey JohnD! I see you are still the perennial eye-poker for the Indy staff.
Posted by dumbfounded

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

JohnD — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:22:53 -0400

Lightmyway Hey Matt, 24 activists, 8 lawmakers (two showed up late and did not speak because their Trans committee held them up), six leaders myself included that's three dozen. I guess math is a challenge to creative writers. Hey, Lightmyway, read the article.
Posted by JohnD

Re: Anti-immigration activists rally, preaching mostly to themselves

LightMyWay — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:09:43 -0400

Hey Matt, 24 activists, 8 lawmakers (two showed up late and did not speak because their Trans committee held them up), six leaders myself included that's three dozen.
Posted by LightMyWay

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black dog — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:04:51 -0400

The greatest thing about the print edition of the Independent is being free from a roving pack of assholes who must throw in their two cents(as if they were worth even that) as comment posts on the article. Since we're here, and since I am pulling about my membership card as I type this, I have to say that I have several problems with this article, and it seems to be an ongoing concern.
Posted by black dog

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Mongo — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:33:20 -0400