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Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

Peaceful Prairie Sanctuary tells the truth in their booklet:
"Humane Animal Farming? Take A Closer Look"
http://www.peacefulprairie.org/humane-myth…

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Posted by Brandon Becker on 03/27/2014 at 5:02 PM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

"Ethics and humaneness have different meanings to different people."

AWA,

this kind of false, self serving thinking allows people to exploit, harm and kill others for their own personal gratification. owning, exploiting and abusing people of other races was considered ethical by the white slave owners who were greatly profiting from it-the victims however had quite a different view on the subject.

when considering acts of violence and injustice, it is in no way fair, logical or consistent to ignore the victims point of view. if you would not like something done to you, it is NEVER ethical or humane to do it to others.

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Posted by markgil on 03/27/2014 at 4:22 PM

Re: “A movement emerges against the Duke Energy-Progress monopoly

Even without using the M word it's still no challenge to examine the glaring connections between the corporation in question and members of the state government. When one does so it should be clear that while nobody can argue against Duke's place in the utilities hierarchy as necessarily strong, we all deface our credibility when we allow disasters such as the Dan river spill to provide the only criteria to bring up for discussion the increasingly overt alignment on the part of the state with a single special interest. Were we truthfully the free democratic society we claim to be all over the world, here in NC we might owe each other the basic dignity to be gained by questioning the connections present between Duke and the state and ask ourselves furthermore who really stands to gain when the one makes a profit and the other gets poisoned. It may take time for the leadership in our state to awaken to the reality that the corruption of pollution causes climate insecurity and ecological disaster, but it will take much longer if we turn a blind eye to its activities when both our choices and our futures are at stake.

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Posted by i-t on 03/27/2014 at 4:21 PM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

While we respect everyone’s right to choose their own diet, we do object to the “industry lies” reference. Ethics and humaneness have different meanings to different people. AWA is a standards- and science-based program and we focus on animal welfare since it is measurable. For those who decide to eat meat, dairy, and eggs, our standards [http://animalwelfareapproved.org/standards/] - and our farms - deliver the highest level of animal welfare of any third party certification.

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Posted by AWA on 03/27/2014 at 4:04 PM

Re: “A movement emerges against the Duke Energy-Progress monopoly

Monopolies have their proper place when there is a compelling economy of scale. There certainly is such an economy of scale in the distribution of electricity. To a lesser degree, there is an economy of scale in the generation of electricity.

But when it comes to retailing electricity, competition is a great thing. And to the extent that competition can be gradually introduced into generation of electricity in NC -- while keeping a level-playing field on environmental protections -- that would be a great thing, too.

New England has traditionally depended on costlier underlying sources of energy (e.g. nuclear). If the true costs of coal were factored into electricity prices in NC, the gap between NC and New England on retail prices for electricity would narrow.

I don't buy the argument that one-size-fits-all. We heard that nonsense from AT&T before the Bell System was broken up in the 1970s and 1980s, just as LeMond says.

But in the meantime, we rely on NCUC and NCDNER -- for better or worse -- to police Duke Energy.

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Posted by ct on 03/27/2014 at 1:25 PM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

"I've yet to convert anyone to vegetarianism or veganism by scolding, being histrionic or putting someone on a guilt trip. It's the quickest way to marginalize veganism."

Lisa,

would you say the same thing about people who speak out against the violence and exploitation done to humans? is condemning and punishing people who oppress, harm and kill humans "putting someone on a guilt trip"? the problem is that veganism is about MUCH more than just a dietary choice-it is about non-violence, social justice and treating all others the way you yourself wish to be treated. since no one wishes to be commodified, exploited and used as a means to some one else's selfish ends, it is a moral imperative not to force this on helpless others and non-human animals count as others.

the ironic thing about your statement is that the one's being marginalized are the goats themselves who are treated as economic units instead of sentient individuals with their own purposes, needs and desires.

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Posted by markgil on 03/27/2014 at 12:26 PM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

Lisa, what is your definition of "harm"? Surely harm includes being held in captivity (loss of freedom), taken away from your family (loss of family bonding), and being slaughtered for food (loss of life). Even worse, all this harm is unnecessary as humans have no nutritional need for consuming animal products (the latest science shows that not only are they unnecessary, they are harmful for human health - see www.NutritionFacts.org).

I appreciate that Indy Week runs articles such as this one critically examining the "happy meat" industry a year and a half ago: http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/new-doc-a…

Knowing that you wrote the great movie review linked above, it's really saddening to see you also wrote this article promoting Prodigal Farm - a commercial operation, not a sanctuary. With knowledge comes responsibility and I would expect to see something different from those who know the truth about animal exploitation.

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Posted by Brandon Becker on 03/27/2014 at 12:09 PM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

All one needs to do is consider switching the context of goats to humans. How would you feel taking the milk from a human being and converting it to cheese and then talk about how silky smooth it is? And taking the mother's milk and putting it into an artificial device and talking about how eagerly the kids drink it? It seems awfully strange. As someone who used to love dairy, I understand how our desires for it can cloud our judgment. The judgment of what is right and wrong here is very clear if you take your desires out of the equation. If you did not want goat's milk cheese, then this whole arrangement would appear to be VERY strange.

Speaking on behalf of the goats means that they should be free from ALL exploitation, meaning they would not be born only to be bred to produce milk or sold to someone who would eventually exploit and kill them. This is the truth of the matter. And if we consumers cannot handle the truth, then we need not be consuming it. Right? If someone who loves to eat goat's milk cheese gets angry at non-consumers for telling the truth, whose fault is that?

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Posted by moraj8 on 03/27/2014 at 11:54 AM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

To the commenters on this story, I have been a vegetarian for 23 years, and I'm a former vegan who is trying to become vegan again.
I'm well aware of the issues regarding eating animal products. In my many visits to the farm, I found no evidence that these goats were being harmed. And since I am sensitive to these issues, I'm always looking for it. The INDY has long covered vegan foods; in fact we just did a series on the Bull City Vegan Challenge.
I've yet to convert anyone to vegetarianism or veganism by scolding, being histrionic or putting someone on a guilt trip. It's the quickest way to marginalize veganism.

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Posted by Lisa Sorg on 03/27/2014 at 11:34 AM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

“It is a healthy, natural reaction for someone who witnesses the brutalities inflicted upon nonhuman animals in the agriculture industry for the first time, to ask, "how can we stop this from happening?”. The simple truth is that there remains only one answer, only one way to stop it from happening. We must end the consumption of animal-based products. Until then, nonhuman animals will always be placed in "livestock" conditions, they will always be exploited, they will always be abused and they will always be slaughtered. You cannot teach someone that a life-form has any real value when it is considered acceptable to enslave, kill and eat said being. Whilst humanity views nonhuman animals as resources, mere commodities, they will always be victims of our barbarity. There is no "humane" way to treat a slave and there certainly is no "humane" procedure to take a life.” www.humanemyth.org

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Posted by markgil on 03/27/2014 at 11:07 AM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

Such a rosy, feel-good picture they paint of baby goats being bottle fed and happy goats peacefully grazing on a pasture. They love their goats so much that they break up their families and steal children away from their mothers so that they can take the mothers' breast milk (mothers who are genetically manipulated to produce far more milk than is natural for them). And the nice young plump and tender kids command top dollar from the the Farm to Fork restaurants. How utterly Orwellian.

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Posted by Robert Grillo on 03/27/2014 at 11:03 AM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

You were once a baby. How would you like if someone took you away from your mother, then pumped the milk from your mom's breasts to sell for someone else consumption? You'd also be legally owned, held in captivity, and slaughtered. If you are male, you would be slaughtered soon after birth; if female, slaughtered after your "productivity" producing milk declines to an uneconomic level. Goats, like humans, are mammals and only make milk due to pregnancy. Captivity, reproductive manipulation, and slaughter are integral parts of this system. Plants, unlike animals, have no nervous system, no sense of pain, no "self" to care what happens to them.

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Posted by Brandon Becker on 03/27/2014 at 11:01 AM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

So Hermes and Helena (assuming both are female) will be cycled into slavery, and Hecules will be killed and eaten, since, just like dairy cows, he is useless to the industry. I guess that's the "humane" aspect of the farm -- name the animals before you turn them into dinner. I just hate how Indy glorifies this.

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Posted by Karin Yates on 03/27/2014 at 10:58 AM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

In other news ... in the summer, ripe tomatoes should be falling to the ground to create new tomato plants, yet farmers steal the ripe tomatoes to be fed to humans. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Talk to anyone who has visited this farm - it is the most humane operation around and the goats are completely spoiled. It is hardly an "industry."

Please, veganism has lots of advantages, but this kind of evangelical veganism BS takes pages from the playbooks of the worst kinds of manipulative religious organizations. Get a clue.

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Posted by chriskebob on 03/27/2014 at 10:42 AM

Re: “A movement emerges against the Duke Energy-Progress monopoly

There is a difference between a monopoly and a regulated utility. The southeast electric rates are some of the cheapest in the country. You need only to look at New England electric rates to see that competition in this case is a worse idea. Duke Energy provides great service. Remember that these employees are your friends and relatives and they genuinely care about about the customers and the environment in which they live.

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Posted by MB_NC on 03/27/2014 at 10:04 AM

Re: “Prodigal Farm: Where goats are livin' the dream

The baby goats should be drinking their mother's milk, yet her milk is stolen by Prodigal Farm to be fed to humans. Humans are the only species to drink milk past infancy and the only species to drink the milk from another species. It's cruel and unhealthy. There is nothing "humane" about exploiting animals for their milk and slaughtering animals for their flesh. Don't buy industry lies- visit www.HumaneMyth.org to learn the truth about animal exploitation and the needless suffering and death it causes. Please try almond, coconut, flax, hemp, rice, soy, and other plant-based milks and cheeses: http://www.veganoutreach.org/guide/substit…

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Posted by Brandon Becker on 03/27/2014 at 10:01 AM

Re: “Conceal-carry permit holders can now bring guns into restaurants and bars. What could go wrong?

I live in Wisconsin and you can conceal carry firearms into bars, HOWEVER it is illegal to posses any FIREARM while under the influence of a detectable amount of alcohol or intoxicating substance. This applies to any firearm user, permit to carry or not. Violating this is a crime that can get you a Class A misdemeanor with a 9 month jail sentence &/or $10,000 fine. You can legally carry non-firearm dangerous weapons while under the influence (reason why I bold faced firearms). I don't understand why states that allow people to conceal carry into alcohol establishments don't have something like this in place. Also not everyone that goes to a bar, tavern or restaurant is their to get drunk; armed or not.

Posted by Karl Ericsson on 03/27/2014 at 1:41 AM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

The baby goats should be drinking their mother's milk, yet her milk is stolen by Prodigal Farm to be fed to humans. Humans are the only species to drink milk past infancy and the only species to drink the milk from another species. It's cruel and unhealthy. There is nothing "humane" about exploiting animals for their milk and slaughtering animals for their flesh. Don't buy industry lies- visit www.HumaneMyth.org to learn the truth about animal exploitation and the needless suffering and death it causes. Please try almond, coconut, flax, hemp, rice, soy, and other plant-based milks and cheeses: http://www.veganoutreach.org/guide/substit…

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Posted by Brandon Becker on 03/26/2014 at 6:55 PM

Re: “Complaint filed against Durham Public Schools for high suspension rates of kids with disabilities

The way this student was treated was ashamed. This is how down-low these mean spirited administrators can go. The same situation can happen when dealing with other kids.

Posted by rgj5366 on 03/26/2014 at 5:40 PM

Re: “Smile, you're on Aqueti camera

Aqueti will be showing some qG images, including Downtown Durham shots we took during this interview, at this coming First Friday in Raleigh! April 4, 2014. We would love to see you all there! The qG will be live in action as well. Be apart of the history the qG is making! https://www.facebook.com/events/1474902636057912/

Posted by Susan Delene Prochnow on 03/26/2014 at 4:14 PM

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