Yet another reason to become a vegetarian- to save beautiful forests and wildlife habitat from being bulldozed to feed suffering animals living in misery, which are fed to humans in bbq joints making them sick, overweight and unhappy . It is time to wake up people, and stop the madness. This old way of life, the good ol' boy network of "BBQ bigots", that want to sell or buy Hofmann Forest, is so yesterday.
As someone who studies works from the Enlightenment period, I must point out that the letter writer's assertion that the 18th century is not part of the Enlightenment is incorrect. I do not know any historian or philosopher who would give that statement any credit. While the movement began in the later 1600s it is, in fact, associated mostly with the 18th century.
I cannot speak to the assertions about Madison or Jefferson but the clear misstatement that the letter begins with makes me doubt the rest of it.
Great Hofmann letter Sarah!
If people want to help stop the sale of Hofmann Forest to the Illinois corn farmer, here's what you can do:
1. attend our protest Friday, Dec 6, NCSU campus "Brickyard" plaza, 12pm-2pm. Parking should be available at the Dan Allen Visitor's lot on Dan Allen Dr, or nearby off Hillsborough St.
2. like us on Facebook: Save Hofmann Forest
3. like the protest event, and share it with your own friends
4. sign the online petition - google Hofmann Forest ipetition
5. write every NCSU official you can think of and ask them to stop the sale
I like your style, Lisa Sorg. As a human being and as a journalist.
I am in awe that anyone really believes the best viable answer (reasonably or economically) is to give people free houses. This is not "best practices", it's social and economic nonsense. A lot of veterans are in need of help reassimilating to day to day life in the United States. "Best practices" in the real world, not the spend other peoples money big government world, is using your resources to best help as many people as you can. It seems to me the folks at VLC-NC-Cares have a firm grasp on this concept. How many people can you help to help themselves for what you spend to put one person in a house BEFORE they have life skills its takes to maintain a civilian lifestyle?
I live in robersonville n.c and the town charges .17 kw. I think its because the town is mostly black.something has to be down. Also,they don't tell the customers that during the cold months they can't cut you off.they will anyway!
I think more information is necessary on the data, but that is really not the point here. I think the hundreads of volunteers that actually conduct the PIT count every year in NC would take issue with you calling their efforts not accurate. It is in fact the only unduplicated count of persons experiencing homelessness. The numbers are not manipulated and I speak from direct experience. Having the right data and knowing exactly where it comes from is key to working to solve an issue.
Again, Housing Frist is the most successful model and it is evidence based. It is effective and efficient. It ends homelessness. This is not ending anyone's homelessness, this is a program that hopes to make these vets "ready for housing" which is the model that has proven to be ineffective and expensive. I am not saying that peer to peer service provision does not work, I am saying that it doesn't actually solve the problem that these vets are facing. In Houisng First people have a lease and there is no need to go through a program to earn that lease. I don't think these vets need to prove through a program that they deserve their leases and there places in the community. Peer to peer programs can happen with Housing First, by offering them all of these services while they are in their own homes/apartments/permanent housing. Everyone wins. Not only can and should it be offered while in their own housing, it is actually cheaper and more effective to do so.
How are thes vets supposed to goet to this facility in Butner? Wouldn't it be cheaper and better for them to meet them where they are in their communities? That is Housing First. How are they to get from this facility and reintegrate into the community once this program is over? In Housing First these vets would be given all the supports and programs they need to be successful while in their homes; without threat of having to move which is a traumatic event.
Please don't bus people out to an expensive facility that drains resources and is not an evidence-based practice. It hurts more than helps. Lets not keep them in a time limited program out in rural NC and then tell them they now need to make a go at life somewhere else. Logistically, this model just doesn't add up. Will there be busies? Will there be someone to take them out into the community to help them figure out where they want to live once the program is over? What about the ongoing cost of sustaining this old building? that will cost millions. Will there be case management to help them reintegrate into their communities? There are better, proven methods that offer lasting solutions to homelessness and all of the complex issues that are faced by our brave men and women. These improved methods are actually cheaper too which is an amazing combination of factors. They deserve the best because they gave their best.
That 4.2 million could serve thousands more successfully than what it will do trying to reinvigorate this old building in Butner. It could right now be used to put vets experiencing homelessness in quality housing in their own communities and surround them with services (job training, peer to peer supports, mental health care, etc) so ensure their success. Please don't waste taxpayer dollars and veterans time. They have given enough of their time already.
I like the first one.
HUD uses the Point in Time Count (PIT) which is a once a year survey of homeless persons, which is then statistically manipulated to reflect a number of additional influences. The numbers quoted in this article are actual, real live Veterans who have reached out to Veterans Administrations facilities throughout NC in the past fiscal year. They have actual files at VA.
Furthermore, there is considerable evidence to support the effectiveness of the peer-to-peer model which allows Veterans to successfully reintegrate into society at a rate which is 2-3 times greater than standard homeless programming.
Bob Geary, thanks fir your comments. This is not Housing First and Housing First is permanent housing. Anything that takes resources away from a tried and tested practice that permanently helps people is immoral in my opinion.
HUD won't even fund this type of project anymore because it is an expensive and ineffective model.
Please just read for yourself, don't post something without merit. I posted two links and please visit the National Alliance to End Homelessness' website or NC Coalition to End Homelessness' site. They both support Housing First over the housing readiness model. Go to the USICH and VA websites. HUD too. They all agree that permanent housing and supports is the best solution. Nothing more to say. Find out for yourself.
Housing First is permanent housing (period) and runs counter to the current, now old, model of housing stability (which is the model described here).
Those number are not from HUD and are not an accurate capture of this who are literally homeless. All you have to do is look these things up. The truth speaks for itself. Those who want to use old, untested, and expensive models of "housing readiness" are doing more harm than good.
Our vets deserve a forever home, not have to prove their way into deserving permanent housing.
I think "If the principal does it, then it's not illegal" probably fits her best. This is great!
Thank You WFU, well stated. For any interested readers; here's some other important and factually correct information. The chart at the top of the article comes directly from the Veterans Administration itself, so any criticism at IndyWeek is misdirected to say the least. Finally, the incredibly low cost per bed in re-purposing an existing building, (not to mention economies of scale) which is located within 25 miles of a large population of homeless Veterans as well as the world class research hospitals, corporations, universities, and yes the Durham VA hospital lays bares the poster's biases and prejudice against 'new approaches,' perhaps 'vested or invested' in the social service profiteering racket that has left more than 8000 Veterans homeless now, just in North Carolina, and more than 50,000 across the country. As WFU noted, this is outcome based care with the goal of reintegration, not to create wards of the state.
The model used to develop the Veterans Life Center project is based upon 35+ years of successful Veterans treatment and reintegration work done by "the Gold Standard of Veterans programming" at the Veterans Village of San Diego. Furthermore, there are 23 "BURR Initiative" VA sites throughout the nation, which utilize the domiciliary, transitional housing model to assist returning Veterans prior to entry into HUD-VASH and "housing first" programs. The model in development for the Veterans Life Center incorporates the full spectrum of existing State and Federal Veterans programming to assist our most affected returning Veterans in dealing with the aftereffects of bearing the burdens of our freedoms these past 12 years.
Overlooked in "Downtowner"s comments has been the year after year rise in Veterans homelessness throughout NC - indicated in the chart at the beginning of the article. Advocacy of the existing, dysfunctional model indicates a vested interest in the status quo, not an objective look at existing resources and functional models throughout the nation. While Housing First has been proven to save taxpayers money in dealing with chronically homeless wards of the state, the Veterans Life Center model has been designed to return Veterans to self reliance, so that they may enjoy the benefits of the society they sacrificed so much to protect. Apples and peppers, "Downtowner", and hollow words from one of the protected with a roof over their head.
Downtowner: Thanks for writing. I'm familiar with the Housing First concept, and I wouldn't hold myself out as an expert about best practices for reaching homeless populations. I'm not sure why the issue with homeless vets should be either-or, however. It seems that the Butner campus concept is a form of Housing First with wraparound services as you advocate. It is not permanent housing. But in many cases, the supported-housing units in a Housing First approach aren't permanent either -- clients learn skills, get jobs and move on, and that's the goal of VLCs program, too, as I understand it.
Certainly, we have a need for more and better programs for all of our homeless citizens, including vets. VLC's efforts needn't displace others' work. but rather are additive, as far as I know.
I am also disappointed that the Indy did not do their background research. The data at the top of this story is incorrect. It is disappointing that someone who has not done their proper research on what types of programs are proven to work and presents faulty data without a source listed can garner automatic support. Again, our veterans deserve better than this.
This is one article of many. All you have to do is Google and read. Also, this is not new research. It has been around and predominate in the homelessness field for the last several years. Time tested and proven effective: http://www.endveteranhomelessness.org/prog…
It is sad to me that there are so many people in our community doing the hard work of ending homelessness using the best practice models and this work is overshadowed immediately from one person waving faulty data who happens to have the ear of decision makers. Those on the front lines of this issue don't have the time or resources to lobby the folks in charge and the thanks they get is this guy diverting valuable resources (millions of dollars!) into a model that is proven ineffective and expensive. It will hurt more than it helps.
Please use our tax dollars for programs that are proven to be successful: i.e. Housing Fist and VASH Vouchers.
It is harmful to the veterans being served to put them in an expensive facility that will drain public and private resources instead of utilizing best practice models of ending homelessness. I am confused how someone has so much support when he is not utilizing the best practice models that are time tested and and efficient use of dollars. We must demand the best for our vets and the Butner facility is not it.
Bob, I think the way we're taught to revere the Constitution is another instance of how the ideology of Manifest Destiny continues to infect our thinking. Like you, I was well into adulthood before I could appreciate that there could be a better governing structure for our nation than the Constitution of 1787.
The decades of struggle to create a more equitable health care system is a clarifying example of this. Consider the "public option," passed by the House of Representatives but killed in the Senate Finance Committee, where chairman Max Baucus (D-MT) personally attended to its demise.
Only in recent years have I come to think there is something wrong with a system that places so much power in the hands of individual senators. As you say elsewhere on the thread, the system is designed "to prevent the national government from acting absent an overwhelming mandate from the public." I might go further and say that sometimes even an overwhelming public mandate isn't sufficient.
On a not-unrelated note, I recently read a review of a book we should probably read: "If Mayors Ruled the World: Dysfunctional Nations, Rising Cities."
Apologies in advance for typos and grammatical mistakes. This was written on a small screen.
Thank you for caring about our vets. Please know that the best (i.e. evidenced-based or proven to be most successful) solution to ending homelessness for veterans (and all persons) is permanent housing with supports. Please only invest in solutions that are proven to work for our vets and don't' set them up for failure by utilizing the "old model" of intervention which is facility-based transitional housing. They don't deserve to live in a facility and to have to leave and move again and find permanent housing, and then set up their community once again. This is proven to be an ineffective and expensive model. Our vets deserve quality, affordable, permanent housing with appropriate supports. They don't deserve to have to move to an expensive and unsustainable facility that is out in the middle of nowhere. They need to be connected to their community, with all of the supports you mention here. This is not a partisan issue, but it is a moral one. Maya Angelou said it best: 'I did then what I knew how to do. Now that I know better, I do better.' Let's do our best for these vets, because they did their best for us.
The US Interagency Council on Homelessness and the Veterans Administration agrees that Housing First is the best (and most efficient) way to end homelessness for veterans. There vast research to proving this. Please help our vets by doing only what is best.
Additional good news for the Veterans Leadership Council. Here is the text of the Memorandum of Intent received yesterday afternoon from North Carolina Department of Commerce Secretary Sharon Decker:
November 26, 2013
To: All Interested Parties for the Veteran’s Life Center Project
From: Sharon Allred Decker, North Carolina Secretary of Commerce
This memo is provided to confirm the intent of the N.C. Department of Commerce to fulfill the requested desire to secure a Community Development Block Grant (“CDBG”) of $4.2 million. The purpose of this grant will be to renovate a building on the campus of the John Umstead Hospital Complex in Butner, North Carolina in order to provide temporary shelter, support and rehabilitation services for homeless veterans. We are working diligently with the Town of Butner for this purpose, as they are the local agent of such a grant.
This grant is being pursued through the offices of the N.C. Department of Commerce’s new Rural Economic Development Division under the leadership of Dr. Pat Mitchell.
The Town of Butner is currently in the process of applying for the grant and we are committed to continuing to work with them through this process. Once the Town of Butner completes its application, the Department will continue working through the process in an expeditious manner to ensure all applicable requirements are met so the grant can be awarded and the project can move forward.
We have a great interest in the health and wellbeing of all that serve our Country. This project focuses on those that need the help and support the most. We commend the efforts of Veteran’s Leadership Council of North Carolina – CARES and are eager to secure this initial funding to get this project off the planning pages and into reality. We encourage the Veteran’s Leadership Council of North Carolina – CARES management and board to continue its work of raising the necessary private funding to secure the long term future and sustainability of these endeavors.
The Honorable Richard M. Burr, U.S. Senate
The Honorable Marilyn Avila, N.C. House
The Honorable Neal K. Hunt, N.C. Senate
Thomas Stith, Chief of Staff, Office of Governor Pat McCrory
Tony Almeida, Senior Advisor, Office of Governor Pat McCrory
Jonathan D. Felts, Senior Advisor, Office of Governor Pat McCrory
The Honorable Aldona Z. Wos, Secretary, N.C. Department of Health and Human Services
Major General Cornell A. Wilson, Jr., N.C. Military Affairs Commission
Ilario G. Pantano, Assistant Secretary, N.C. Department of Administration – Division of
Brooks D. Tucker, Senior Policy Advisor, Office of Senator Richard Burr
The Honorable Thomas W. Lane, Mayor, Town of Butner
Tommy Marrow, Town Manager, Town of Butner
James C. Wrenn, Jr., Attorney, Town of Butner
John W. Turner, Executive Director, Veteran’s Leadership Council of North Carolina – CARES
David Robinson, Attorney for Veteran’s Leadership Council of North Carolina – CARES
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