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Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

Vegans! Go attack Tyson or Smithfield and leave this wonderful little farm alone. Only 2.5% (at best) of americans are vegan and most don't stay that way long, the rest of us have to get our delicious animal products from somewhere. So, please, take your self-righteousness jibberjabber to places that wholly disregard animal welfare, unfortunately you have plenty to choose from.

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Posted by TeAnna Wall on 04/11/2014 at 5:27 PM

Re: “No carbs? Go nuts with cashews

Bake pepperoni slices to make pepperoni "chips"
bake small pieces of cheese to make cheese crackers
Nuts or sunflower seeds in a salad to add crunch
vegetables and dip
pork rinds
flax crackers
Kale chips


There's plenty of crunchy low carb foods, all it takes is a little imagination, a quick google, or a walk around the grocery store.

"A few days" really isn't even a good amount of time to test this out. Low carb really isn't a diet, it is a life style change. A little more time and research spent might have been a better idea.

Posted by pikachu91 on 04/11/2014 at 3:58 PM

Re: “Kinston restaurateur Vivian Howard and A Chef's Life, a new PBS show

My family LOVES this program. We are west coast folks so probably will never make it to her restaurant however we will never miss an episode as long as it is on. We anticipate Season 2 and can hardly wait for it to begin.

Posted by TomGI on 04/04/2014 at 6:10 PM

Re: “The passion and inspiration of local food writer Kelly Alexander

Kelly, we love Clementine. Visit our kitchen in West Virginia when you hit the road!
http://cookbookoftheday.blogspot.com/2009/07/hometown-appetites.html

Posted by Lucinda Ebersole on 04/04/2014 at 9:54 AM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

P.S. to Lisa --
I encourage you to adopt a plant based diet SOON and begin living animal-cruelty-free in all aspects of your life... but just don't use the word "vegan" until you are serious about the principles/ethics. Poor or misconstrued definitions of the word "vegan" are part of the overall problem more so than part of the solution. We can't make up our own definitions based on our personal comfort levels. That's a no-no.

Thank you in advance for making future efforts to fully respect all animals and acquire reverence for life, if you are moved to do so. This is the heart and soul of authentic veganism. The day one stops seeing animals as "food", slaves and living tools for human use is a day well worth striving for and celebrating the achievement of. I cheer you on towards this goal.

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Posted by Victoria Hart on 03/27/2014 at 11:02 PM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

I'm always amused, or rather appalled by the many folks who just love to use the phrase "humane". They think it relieves them from any sort of scrutiny. But let's just investigate what that word really means:

From Webster’s New World Dictionary
Humane Hu·mane / hyoomáyn / adj. 1. having what are considered the best qualities of human beings; kind, tender, merciful, sympathetic, compassionate.

It's a perversion of the word to think that it could possibly apply to the orchestrated, for profit or personal benefit, killing of healthy, sentient beings. It is killing for greed and/or gluttony. I suggest you own it - At least you'd have that much integrity because as it is it's just feel-good-placebos for snuffing innocent life. Thankfully, a growing number of us just aren't buying the lies any more!

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Posted by Bea V Elliott on 03/27/2014 at 9:33 PM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

Hi Lisa.
You stated in this comment thread that you were once vegan and are trying to be vegan again. I beg you to NOT return to veganism until you have full comprehension of the term and its authentic definition. It is clear that you did not in your past "vegan" days -- nor do you still, up to this point.

Allow me to post a quote that clarifies a vegan principle that is relevant to the article's topic --

“Animal agriculture is a business making money on the bodies of other sentient beings. This can never be free of a fundamental insensitivity towards the victims of the industry’s profits and a deep betrayal to the animals who depend on humans for care. In the same way that one cannot own humans and traffic their bodies for profit in a humane way, it is impossible to humanely profit from the lives and bodies of animals.” 
— Hope Bohanec, author of The Ultimate Betrayal: Is There Happy Meat?

Animals are not ours to do with as we please. Period. Stop "buying" the lie that they are.

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Posted by Victoria Hart on 03/27/2014 at 8:21 PM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

Peaceful Prairie Sanctuary tells the truth in their booklet:
"Humane Animal Farming? Take A Closer Look"
http://www.peacefulprairie.org/humane-myth…

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Posted by Brandon Becker on 03/27/2014 at 5:02 PM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

"Ethics and humaneness have different meanings to different people."

AWA,

this kind of false, self serving thinking allows people to exploit, harm and kill others for their own personal gratification. owning, exploiting and abusing people of other races was considered ethical by the white slave owners who were greatly profiting from it-the victims however had quite a different view on the subject.

when considering acts of violence and injustice, it is in no way fair, logical or consistent to ignore the victims point of view. if you would not like something done to you, it is NEVER ethical or humane to do it to others.

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Posted by markgil on 03/27/2014 at 4:22 PM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

While we respect everyone’s right to choose their own diet, we do object to the “industry lies” reference. Ethics and humaneness have different meanings to different people. AWA is a standards- and science-based program and we focus on animal welfare since it is measurable. For those who decide to eat meat, dairy, and eggs, our standards [http://animalwelfareapproved.org/standards/] - and our farms - deliver the highest level of animal welfare of any third party certification.

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Posted by AWA on 03/27/2014 at 4:04 PM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

"I've yet to convert anyone to vegetarianism or veganism by scolding, being histrionic or putting someone on a guilt trip. It's the quickest way to marginalize veganism."

Lisa,

would you say the same thing about people who speak out against the violence and exploitation done to humans? is condemning and punishing people who oppress, harm and kill humans "putting someone on a guilt trip"? the problem is that veganism is about MUCH more than just a dietary choice-it is about non-violence, social justice and treating all others the way you yourself wish to be treated. since no one wishes to be commodified, exploited and used as a means to some one else's selfish ends, it is a moral imperative not to force this on helpless others and non-human animals count as others.

the ironic thing about your statement is that the one's being marginalized are the goats themselves who are treated as economic units instead of sentient individuals with their own purposes, needs and desires.

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Posted by markgil on 03/27/2014 at 12:26 PM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

Lisa, what is your definition of "harm"? Surely harm includes being held in captivity (loss of freedom), taken away from your family (loss of family bonding), and being slaughtered for food (loss of life). Even worse, all this harm is unnecessary as humans have no nutritional need for consuming animal products (the latest science shows that not only are they unnecessary, they are harmful for human health - see www.NutritionFacts.org).

I appreciate that Indy Week runs articles such as this one critically examining the "happy meat" industry a year and a half ago: http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/new-doc-a…

Knowing that you wrote the great movie review linked above, it's really saddening to see you also wrote this article promoting Prodigal Farm - a commercial operation, not a sanctuary. With knowledge comes responsibility and I would expect to see something different from those who know the truth about animal exploitation.

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Posted by Brandon Becker on 03/27/2014 at 12:09 PM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

All one needs to do is consider switching the context of goats to humans. How would you feel taking the milk from a human being and converting it to cheese and then talk about how silky smooth it is? And taking the mother's milk and putting it into an artificial device and talking about how eagerly the kids drink it? It seems awfully strange. As someone who used to love dairy, I understand how our desires for it can cloud our judgment. The judgment of what is right and wrong here is very clear if you take your desires out of the equation. If you did not want goat's milk cheese, then this whole arrangement would appear to be VERY strange.

Speaking on behalf of the goats means that they should be free from ALL exploitation, meaning they would not be born only to be bred to produce milk or sold to someone who would eventually exploit and kill them. This is the truth of the matter. And if we consumers cannot handle the truth, then we need not be consuming it. Right? If someone who loves to eat goat's milk cheese gets angry at non-consumers for telling the truth, whose fault is that?

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Posted by moraj8 on 03/27/2014 at 11:54 AM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

To the commenters on this story, I have been a vegetarian for 23 years, and I'm a former vegan who is trying to become vegan again.
I'm well aware of the issues regarding eating animal products. In my many visits to the farm, I found no evidence that these goats were being harmed. And since I am sensitive to these issues, I'm always looking for it. The INDY has long covered vegan foods; in fact we just did a series on the Bull City Vegan Challenge.
I've yet to convert anyone to vegetarianism or veganism by scolding, being histrionic or putting someone on a guilt trip. It's the quickest way to marginalize veganism.

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Posted by Lisa Sorg on 03/27/2014 at 11:34 AM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

“It is a healthy, natural reaction for someone who witnesses the brutalities inflicted upon nonhuman animals in the agriculture industry for the first time, to ask, "how can we stop this from happening?”. The simple truth is that there remains only one answer, only one way to stop it from happening. We must end the consumption of animal-based products. Until then, nonhuman animals will always be placed in "livestock" conditions, they will always be exploited, they will always be abused and they will always be slaughtered. You cannot teach someone that a life-form has any real value when it is considered acceptable to enslave, kill and eat said being. Whilst humanity views nonhuman animals as resources, mere commodities, they will always be victims of our barbarity. There is no "humane" way to treat a slave and there certainly is no "humane" procedure to take a life.” www.humanemyth.org

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Posted by markgil on 03/27/2014 at 11:07 AM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

Such a rosy, feel-good picture they paint of baby goats being bottle fed and happy goats peacefully grazing on a pasture. They love their goats so much that they break up their families and steal children away from their mothers so that they can take the mothers' breast milk (mothers who are genetically manipulated to produce far more milk than is natural for them). And the nice young plump and tender kids command top dollar from the the Farm to Fork restaurants. How utterly Orwellian.

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Posted by Robert Grillo on 03/27/2014 at 11:03 AM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

You were once a baby. How would you like if someone took you away from your mother, then pumped the milk from your mom's breasts to sell for someone else consumption? You'd also be legally owned, held in captivity, and slaughtered. If you are male, you would be slaughtered soon after birth; if female, slaughtered after your "productivity" producing milk declines to an uneconomic level. Goats, like humans, are mammals and only make milk due to pregnancy. Captivity, reproductive manipulation, and slaughter are integral parts of this system. Plants, unlike animals, have no nervous system, no sense of pain, no "self" to care what happens to them.

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Posted by Brandon Becker on 03/27/2014 at 11:01 AM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

So Hermes and Helena (assuming both are female) will be cycled into slavery, and Hecules will be killed and eaten, since, just like dairy cows, he is useless to the industry. I guess that's the "humane" aspect of the farm -- name the animals before you turn them into dinner. I just hate how Indy glorifies this.

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Posted by Karin Yates on 03/27/2014 at 10:58 AM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

In other news ... in the summer, ripe tomatoes should be falling to the ground to create new tomato plants, yet farmers steal the ripe tomatoes to be fed to humans. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Talk to anyone who has visited this farm - it is the most humane operation around and the goats are completely spoiled. It is hardly an "industry."

Please, veganism has lots of advantages, but this kind of evangelical veganism BS takes pages from the playbooks of the worst kinds of manipulative religious organizations. Get a clue.

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Posted by chriskebob on 03/27/2014 at 10:42 AM

Re: “Prodigal Farm is growing, along with its humanely raised herd

The baby goats should be drinking their mother's milk, yet her milk is stolen by Prodigal Farm to be fed to humans. Humans are the only species to drink milk past infancy and the only species to drink the milk from another species. It's cruel and unhealthy. There is nothing "humane" about exploiting animals for their milk and slaughtering animals for their flesh. Don't buy industry lies- visit www.HumaneMyth.org to learn the truth about animal exploitation and the needless suffering and death it causes. Please try almond, coconut, flax, hemp, rice, soy, and other plant-based milks and cheeses: http://www.veganoutreach.org/guide/substit…

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Posted by Brandon Becker on 03/26/2014 at 6:55 PM

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