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Member of Orange County's chained-dog study panel has ties to dog-fighting

Public debate on pets includes private questions on motives

11 APR 2007  •  by Ashley B. Roberts



Breeder Tom Garner keeps about 50 pit bulls on chains at his property on Spike Road in Hillsborough.
Photo by Rex Miller
When Alane Koki applied to become a member of an Orange County citizens' committee studying whether the county should limit the practice of tethering dogs on chains or ropes, she submitted a 13-page résumé citing numerous accomplishments as a scientist and medical researcher: a doctorate in zoology, a dozen patents, and publication in more than 50 journals.

With those credentials and a Hillsborough address, Koki seemed a reasonable appointee for the seat designated for an "animal wellness/health expert," and county commissioners put her on the panel on Feb. 6.

What Koki didn't list in her application, however, was her long history of breeding pit bulls in other states and her association with local kennel owner Tom Garner, a nationally known breeder of pit bulls and a convicted dog fighter whom commissioners declined to appoint to the committee the same night they approved Koki.

As details emerge about Koki's background, local and national officials worry that her membership on the committee is an attempt to scuttle any potential limitations on tethering, a common practice used by breeders and trainers of fighting dogs—along with some family pet owners—which is increasingly recognized as inhumane.

"There's so much money in dogfighting, now that I look back with 20/20 hindsight, I shouldn't be surprised that the dog-fighting lobby would go to lengths like this—they have a lot to lose," says committee member and Orange County Commissioner Mike Nelson.

One national animal advocate who has followed the activities of Garner for several years and Koki since last summer says he believes Koki is a plant to protect Garner's financial interests.

"I think she has come down here to help Tom Garner to provide a smokescreen of scientific jargon in order to distort the issue," says John Goodwin, the deputy manager of animal fighting issues at the Humane Society of the United States.

Koki did not return repeated phone calls.

Garner, who breeds and keeps about 50 pit bulls on his 11-acre property on Spike Road near Hillsborough, denies having any business relationship with Koki, saying he's never bred his dogs to hers.

"That's absolutely not true," he says.

But Web sites for Garner's Tom Garner Kennels and Koki's Thundermaker Bulldogs show several examples of offspring resulting from breeding their dogs to each other.

Both Garner and Koki are known in dog-fighting circles across the country, Goodwin says, and Koki referred to herself as the owner of Thundermaker Bulldogs when applying to be chosen as an expert witness in a Wisconsin dog-fighting case.

"There certainly is a connection between Koki and Garner," Goodwin says, calling Garner "one of the most prominent and well-known breeders of fighting dogs in the world."

On archived versions of the Thundermaker Bulldogs Web site, which include a picture of Koki cuddling a dog, descriptions of individual pit bulls detail bloodlines for several generations. For example, one Thundermaker "stud" listed in 2001 named "Goodson's Dozerboy" lists Garner's dog, "Garner's Frisco" as his sire and "Garner's Ch Chinaman" as his grandsire. Asked about those bloodline connections, Garner says he "is unaware of [Koki] having a Web site." The only connection he has with Koki, he says, centers on a study she's conducting about the effects of tethering on dogs.

"My relationship with her is that she's a member of a committee that was appointed here in Orange County, and she asked if she could do some research out here, and I agreed," Garner says, apparently referring to a study Koki says she's conducting—and wants to present to the committee—on the physiological effects of chaining on dogs.

Garner declined to be interviewed further.

"I'm not sure if I want to talk with you because I don't know if you are actually a neutral source or if you are part of the animal rights extremists," Garner says.

There is other evidence that Koki may be involved in breeding dogs for fighting. On July 7, 2006, authorities in Dane County, Wis., taped a conversation between Koki and a man named Robert Lowery, a former sheriff's deputy accused of dog-fighting and drug trafficking. A transcript of the conversation was introduced as evidence in Lowery's trial.

"Does Jeff still have that Lucky dog?" Lowery asked Koki over a recorded jail phone line.

"No ... it lost again," she responds.

Koki also tried to gain possession of Lowery's pit bulls, which were seized and held at the Dane County Humane Society. Koki visited the shelter twice to try to convince the staff to turn the dogs over to her, says Dave Madden, the animal care director.

Meanwhile, Pennsylvania officials have been investigating Koki for nearly a year, after discovering about 50 pit bulls on her property in Mohrsville, Pa., according to Harry Brown, executive director of the Animal Rescue League of Berks County, which is responsible for animal control there. Koki did not have the license required to keep more than 26 dogs, Brown says, and several months into the investigation, most of her dogs were removed.

"We went back up to her property to pull a warrant for operating without a kennel license and found she had moved all but 11," says Brown.

It's also unclear whether Koki actually lives in Orange County. She lists a home phone in Pennsylvania on her resume and and she's not registered to vote in North Carolina, though she gave a street address of 215 Ashe St. in Hillsborough, a house in a run-down neighborhood surrounded by a privacy fence.

The owners of the house, Samuel and Wanda Burgner, did not return phone calls.

In e-mails and other documents obtained by the Independent, Garner defends the practice of tethering dogs, saying they get more exercise than dogs in pens, among other arguments, and accusing anti-tethering activists of being "extremists."

Koki, meanwhile, touts a study she says she's heading up that looks at the physiological effects of tethering on dogs, citing a long list of scientists who are collaborating with her and proposing that she be allowed to present her findings to the committee. In the two months the committee's been meeting, Koki has never mentioned being a dog breeder, or specifically advocated a pro-tethering stance, Nelson says. The commissioners set aside a seat for a pro-tethering advocate, but after declining to appoint Garner, the only applicant for that particular seat, it remains vacant.

The 14-member board is in the process of gathering information and making recommendations about tethering, including consulting with officials from other jurisdictions that have limited or banned tethering. In North Carolina, New Hanover County and several municipalities have banned the practice altogether; other areas, including Durham, are considering it; there is a proposed bill in the legislature this session to enact statewide laws as well. The Orange committee, which meets next on April 11, is due to make recommendations to the Animal Services Advisory Board by June 1; that board will in turn advise the county commissioners whether to change the law.

"Arguments for an anti-tethering law are very strong, regardless of any shenanigans," says Nelson.

25 COMMENTS

A convicted dog fighter like Garner has a lot of nerve calling people "extremists" who simply want man's best friend not to suffer at the end of a short heavy chain for their entire lives prior to dying a long painful death in the dogfighting ring for illegal gambling profits. Talk about a total lack of perspective. I hope the government will revoke Koki's seat, for the sake of the dogs and for public safety. Tethered dogs are more likely to bite and cause injury.
by Sam D Raleigh 11 Apr 2007, 4:58pm Report this comment
The commission should immediately remove Ms. Koki from membership for falsification and fraudulent misrepresentation. Since when is lying acceptable? If she had simply presented herself as a pro-tethering advocate, she probably would have been appointed to the seat reserved for such an individual. But the fact that she lied, falsified, and misrepresented from the get-go is indicative of how dog fighter's operate. They like to stay in the dark, satisfy their bloodlust out of the spotlight, and present themselves as wholesome, solid, respectable citizens. It's clear that they are just the opposite. Please remove her IMMEDIATELY, and check the credentials and background of anyone who applies for membership. Ms. Koki must be terribly ashamed of what she does. She obviously doesn't want anyone to know it.
by njc , midwest 12 Apr 2007, 11:15am Report this comment
How can anyone see this as anything other than just shoddy journalism?? Let me check that I got this straight. The Independent is claiming this panel member has ties cause she knows a guy who was convicted of dog-fighting? The headline claims the panel member has "ties" to dog-fighting. And then the ONLY 2 bits of evidence presented is that 1) some guy says he thinks she's only down here to help Garner and 2) this panel member who is a dog breeder may have actually bred one of her dogs with one of Garner's dogs. Call me naive but I hardly find any of this to be evidence of some huge conspiracy. If this guy Garner is really "nationally known" and one of the "most prominent and well known" of breeders then wouldn't it be more shocking to learn that Koki doesn't know him? The most convincing evidence in the article to me that she has ties to dog-fighting is the fact that she testified in court as an expert witness. Obviously she convinced a judge she knew more than a little about dog-fighting, but I think it unlikely that she was testifying to advocate a pro-dog-fighting viewpoint. We don't know though, because this reporter gives no details as to the substance of Koki's testimony or the credentials taken to certify her as an expert. And what are you talking about she lied?? There's no evidence presented in this article that she said anything at all untrue. And in fact the article even contradicts underlying innuendo by acknowledging that Koki has never advocated a pro-tethering stance to the panel. So help me out here, I don't see that ANY substance to this article supports the headline.
by JohnD Raleigh 12 Apr 2007, 1:39pm Report this comment
let's talk credentials.. anyone care to look up J.P.Goodwin??? He has a few arrests of his own.. and a former (?) association with ALF.. a FBI terrorist watch list organization.. so.. is the pot calling the kettle black?
by checkitout Carrboro 12 Apr 2007, 3:32pm Report this comment
i cant say whether or not tehering a dog is cruel. i suppose any method of containing a dog could be construed as inhumane if executed poorly. in the case of chains vs kennels, i would have to look towards mathmatics for a better answer. the ultimate goal is to provide for the animals. at a visit to a local animal shelter, i took measurements of their kennels. they measured 4 x 8, for a total square footage of 32. now when compared to a tie out space with a radius of 15 feet, you can see the usable square footage jump up to almost 1000sq ft. of course in considering this method, one must take into account the proper chain/teher weight in comparison to the size of a dog, however, when looked at from a non biased point of view, it looks to me that a properly executed tie out space provides more room for a dog to move around, and after all, thats what were in this for is it not?
by bthornton , california 13 Apr 2007, 1:06am Report this comment
by Johnnieboy3494 Pittsboro 13 Apr 2007, 11:21am Report this comment
now i know nothing about dogfighting. but i do know about fair, and i think its fair to have someone with a different opinion on this panel koki was part of. i dont know about you, but im tired of just one faction having all the say. fair, balanced and unbiased. all people, even convicted dogfighters deserve a fair shake. as long as garner was living up to the terms of his probation, his criminal history is of no importance. this is about tethering vs kenneling, not dogfighting. i think the two subjects have been intertwined on purpose, and i dont think thats right. attaching a deplorable activity such as dogfighting to an issue that affects dog owners of many types of dogs is a transparent way to garner support for a moot issue. breeders of sleddogs, hunting dogs, GSD's ets, all tether dogs in the same manner as "dogfighters". these people are all law abiding people, and yet they will now be targets because of this legislation. lets call this what it is. this is an attempt to snuff out dogfighting when our state has no real evidence. it is a new standard of probable cause, nothing more. if our state truly cared about these dogs, they would look back to highschool math. a 15 ft tie out space provides almost 1000sqft for the dog, whereas a state approved kennel provides about 50sqft. now you tell me, if it was you, and you were paying for an apartment, what would you rather have? 1000sqft for a cost of about $50, or 50sqft at a cost of almost $1000?
by bthornton , california 13 Apr 2007, 11:40am Report this comment
I recently retired as 20 years as animal control officer. I can tell you, nothing is sadder than dogs kept all day in shipping crates or dog kennels. A tethered dog CAN have a much better life than dogs kept crated or kenneled. For a RATIONAL look at the subject, I suggest the board look at this site: http://www.workingpitbull.com/tethering.html
by Diane Jessup 13 Apr 2007, 4:41pm Report this comment
This thread tells the true person behind the lies. This Koki woman and her conspirators, including Thomas Garner should all be charged with fraud. [url]http://hawgdawgs.proboards51.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1176344765[/url]
by redone (redone@google.com) Hillsborough 14 Apr 2007, 3:59pm Report this comment
The University of Utah has denied an open records request seeking the names of researchers who experiment on animals, citing safety concerns for the faculty members. The student group Utah Primate Freedom filed the request, and will appeal the denial to the state Records Committee. Students want the information to "hold researchers legally and publicly responsible" for any animal abuses, said Katie Patterson, a sophomore studying English who filed the request. "If we hear of abuse or neglect of an animal, we'd probably try to get that person fired, depending on how bad the abuse is," she said. Fellow Utah Primate Freedom member Jeremy Beckham said the U.'s claims of security concerns have no merit under Utah's open records law, and he is confident he ultimately will prevail. University administrators disagree. Security concerns are legitimate given recent vandalism that occurred at the home of U. researcher Audie Gene Leventhal, U. spokeswoman Coralie Alder said. The Animal Liberation Front acknowledged on its Web site that members threw glass-eating acid on the windows and painted the words "Cat Killer" on his driveway, in reference to his experiments involving felines at the U. Utah Primate Freedom also has held protests outside the homes of researchers. "They say they don't care about where the researchers live, but then why are they going to the researchers homes?" Alder asks. While Patterson said the intention of the protests was not to "scare or intimidate" the researchers but rather voice their concerns over having closed labs, Beckham sees the need for a militant, radical faction in the animal rights activist movement. "It's unfortunate, but activities such as vandalism are the result of labs being so secretive," he said. "When some activists see someone like me try to work within the system and fail repeatedly, it's hard to argue with that militant rationale." However, if he does receive the researchers' names from the U., he will post them online. Alder worries that more radical groups could use that information to inflict harm. She added that U. researchers treat their animals ethically. They take their rhesus and macaque monkeys to sanctuaries after experiments and adopt out cats and dogs. But Beckham wants to end such experiments and attempt to ensure researchers are held to higher standards by getting their names for activists such as himself. "When there is a violation, there is no corrective behavior, the lab just pays a fine," he said. "Right now we're going on a fishing expedition. Once we've looked at the documents, we'll figure out our course of action."
by bthornton , california 14 Apr 2007, 6:53pm Report this comment
Thank God for Bthorton and all those like him. With such skills in twisting logic and common sense where would The Fox Network get it's future commentators. God Bless You BTHORTON, fighting these bleeding heart extremists who would criminalize your rights to starve a dog at the end chain year after year, working to end animal torture and overpopulation. You are an example to us all, even up here in Washington State your reputation is now known. God speed BTHORTON
by libwithfirearms , washington 14 Apr 2007, 10:12pm Report this comment
{ Thank God for Bthorton and all those like him. With such skills in twisting logic and common sense where would The Fox Network get it's future commentators. God Bless You BTHORTON, fighting these bleeding heart extremists who would criminalize your rights to starve a dog at the end chain year after year, working to end animal torture and overpopulation. You are an example to us all, even up here in Washington State your reputation is now known. God speed BTHORTON} Are you accusing BThorton of starving a dog that was on a chain? Your working to end animal torture? So you oppose the method of chaining as a responsible means of containing an animal? where does over population come into play here? Keeping animals sepperated so they can not breed.....I dont get where over population comes into play? Your just being a jerk for the sake of being a jerk! you oppose tethering bring your facts not your "feeling's' or "emotions". tethering does not make an animal mean or neglected peapole do that.
by *shaking head* NC , ahshville 14 Apr 2007, 11:11pm Report this comment
ATLANTA - Paw prints embedded in treadmills. Logs documenting pit bulls' weight. Thousands of dollars in cash stacked like bricks. Although scenes such as these are not illegal in of themselves, some point to them as indicators that dogs are being trained to fight. It wouldn't matter if they were used for such purposes. Training a dog to fight is not illegal in Georgia. Frustrated by what they see as red tape in cracking down on dog fighting, prosecutors and law enforcement officials urged legislators to craft bills this year to help them catch trainers before they ever take their dogs to fighting pits. Passed and adopted by the state Senate earlier this month, Senate Bill 16 would make it a felony to own or train dogs to fight, advertise or hold fights or bet on such events. State Sen. Chip Rogers, R-Woodstock, the bill's sponsor, said he began his campaign against dog fighting after a 3-year-old boy in his district was mauled by a pit bull that had been trained to fight. The boy had to undergo eight facial surgeries. Rogers also said the state lags the rest of the nation in restricting the practice. As of now, it is one of only three states, along with Idaho and Nevada, where breeding dogs to fight is not a punishable offense. "Unfortunately, Georgia has gained a reputation as a place to come and fight dogs and get away with it," Rogers said. For example, in November, Oglethorpe County authorities charged six men in connection with a reported dog fight near Lexington. All are out on bond, and the case is expected to be presented to an Oglethorpe County grand jury in May. The two pit bulls involved in the fight were euthanized due to the severity of their injuries. Despite occasional arrests around the state, it is the underground nature of dog fighting that makes it extremely hard to track, said Richard Rice, state program manager for the Humane Society of the United States. "It's a tight-knit group of folks who handle these operations," Rice said. "They are very good at keeping the fights secret, and on top of that, we have one of the weakest laws in the nation." Even if police are unable to catch breeders training the dogs to fight, Rogers said stiffer penalties could reduce the crowds at dog fights. Under his bill, the practice would be punishable by up to five years in prison and a fine of at least $5,000. A second violation would carry a jail sentence up to ten years and/or a minimum fine of at least $15,000. A breeder's take Tom Garner has been breeding pit bulls for 28 years and is recognized by canine-sporting publications as one of the largest in the business. Owner of Tom Garner Kennels in Hillsborough, N.C., Garner said he has fielded plenty of requests from customers looking for fighting dogs. However, he said he only sells puppies since most people looking for dogs to fight prefer a more developed animal. Garner did acknowledge that some of his customers probably use the animals for illegal activity - but he also ripped some for what he felt was a mischaracterization of dog breeders. "There are a lot of legitimate reasons for dog trainers to use treadmills and similar equipment," he said. "That is a fallacy (that they are used solely for fighting) promoted by the liberal, animal-control activists." Garner said that such equipment is used consistently to help with weight pulling and conformation, the way a dog's appearance conforms to the standards of its breed in dog shows. Rogers said authorities would look at the "totality of circumstances," and added that workout equipment alone was not enough to warrant legal action. Even with stricter legislation, Garner said it still would be easy for breeders to buy pit bulls specifically with the intent of using them for fights. Huge problem Personal-injury attorney Claudia Wilkins said the lack of convictions hides the extent of the dog fighting in the state. "It's a huge problem," Wilkins said. "Georgia is one of, if not the worst, breeding grounds for dog fighters in the nation." She said people are drawn from surrounding states because there's little risk due to what she said are lax penalties. "They know if they come to Georgia and get caught, they'll just get a slap on the wrist," she said. Georgia is the only state other than Hawaii where simply attending a dog fight is not illegal. There is a bill similar to Rogers' making its way through the House. Sponsored by state Rep. Bobby Reese, R-Sugar Hill, House Bill 301 would give spectators of dog fights a less severe punishment - a misdemeanor for first-time offenders and a misdemeanor of high and aggravated nature for subsequent violations. Reese said he originally sought felony status for spectators but was told by House Judiciary-Non Civil Committee members that the violation wasn't extreme enough to take away some rights, such as voting, that are restricted from felons. If Rogers' bill is assigned to the same House committee, Reese said the penalty would be downgraded to misdemeanor status or fail to make it out of committee. House Bill 301 is yet to go before the chamber for a vote. Published in the Athens Banner-Herald on 031807
by redone (redone@google.com) Hillsborough 15 Apr 2007, 11:30am Report this comment
Redone, You must have a personal beef with Tom Garner. Is it because he's a breeder? Is it because he sells and places his animals with in the public? Or is it soley because he use's tethering as a responsible means to secure his animals? Are you trying to discredit TG by posting an artical out of georgia about a bill that was passed? I doubt that the reporter qouted TG verbatim. Bottom line this bill will affect all working type breeds who use tethering as a means to responsibly confine their animals ....Not just the APBT. Redone, if you own an APBT or type dog. I recomend you getting off the fence so to speak. They will be gunning for your dog as well!
by *shaking head* NC , ahshville 15 Apr 2007, 12:34pm Report this comment
{ Sam D, Raleigh 4/11/2007 - 4:58pm A convicted dog fighter like Garner has a lot of nerve calling people "extremists" who simply want man's best friend not to suffer at the end of a short heavy chain for their entire lives prior to dying a long painful death in the dogfighting ring for illegal gambling profits. Talk about a total lack of perspective. I hope the government will revoke Koki's seat, for the sake of the dogs and for public safety. Tethered dogs are more likely to bite and cause injury. } Sam,where did you get your info on dogs that are kept tethered? Did you get it from the HSUS site or a human type org? Tethered dogs are not more likely to bite and cause injury.That is a lie! A dog that is never tethered has the same chance of biting and causing injury....here's the good part, with those odds the dog has more opportunity to run at large! Your trying to convey this as a matter of public safety? You have got to be kidding....LOL This is a matter of your personal feelings and your preference. Not facts, you are clearly biased.
by *shaking head* NC , ahshville 15 Apr 2007, 1:25pm Report this comment
sounds like JP Goodwin has violated the political aspects of the IRC governing non-profit entities again.But what do you expect from a convicted Arsonist
by spittenred NC 15 Apr 2007, 6:57pm Report this comment
Hey spittenred get your facts straight. Goodwin has never been convicted, or even accused in a court of law, of anything like that. I guess you can't defend your convicted dogfighter friend Tom Garner with facts so you have to make up lies about other people. Also, what is the IRC? Do you mean IRS? If so, the IRS allows non-profits to spend a certain percentage of their budget on lobbying. Again, you just don't have your facts straight. I'd expect that from a dogfighter.
by dannyboy Hillsborough 18 Apr 2007, 10:21am Report this comment
you want facts? ok, here goes…here’s a citation, not just inflammatory buzzwords, he meant irc not irs, try getting it straight yourself before you try to insult others and make yourself look ignorant: [url=http://www.paperglyphs.com/nporegulation/lobbying.html]Lobbying and Political Activity by Tax-Exempt Organizations [/url] Lobbying and Political Activity by Tax-Exempt Organizations while I am no fan of ms. koki, nor of how she arrived on this committee, john ("jp") goodwin is no saint either. here’s from his bio: [url=http://www.activistcash.com/biography.cfm/bid/3364]from jp’s bio:[/url] (not sure which code will work?) [i]“He’s developed a lengthy arrest record in pursuit of that goal. He was arrested and convicted for being the ringleader of a crew that vandalized fur retailers in multiple states during the 1990s…he really shocked the public with his comments on the March 1997 arson at a farmer’s feed co-op in Utah. Referring to a fire that caused almost $1 million in damage and could easily have killed a family sleeping on the premises, Goodwin told the Deseret News, “We’re ecstatic.””[/i] you’re right, he has not been convicted of arson, he just advocates it and was convicted of other terrorist-type activities. goodwin's ultimate goal is to criminalize all means and methods of animal ownership. tethering is a perfectly acceptable way of confining a dog. there are possible problems with any method. a kenneled dog may jump and hang himself on the top of the kennel. he may chew at the wire and damage his mouth or escape in such a manner. digging under the kennel or jumping over it are also possible means of escape, which is probably the greatest single threat to any normally confined animal's safety. during winter months snow drifting can make kenneling hazardous and prohibit routine care. a tethered dog is far more likely to receive "hands on" treatment than those that are penned and usually have larger areas to roam. Some who are prohibited from tethering their dogs will confine them indoors in crates and this is certainly not to any animal’s benefit. while I have seen some bloggers talk about the animal welfare act prohibiting tethering, this is untrue in most situations as well… [url=http://sunhusky.com/tethering/]dept of agriculture 1997 clarification[/url] dept of agriculture 1997 clarification [i]"We did not intend to imply that tethering of dogs under all circumstances is inhumane, nor that tethering under any circumstances must be prohibited...Persons who own dogs as pets are not subject to the Animal Welfare Act. Persons who breed dogs as a hobby, and do not sell them wholesale, are not subject to the Animal Welfare Act. Dog mushers and owners of guard dogs or hunting dogs are not subject to the Animal Welfare Act."[/i] all of the above, and more, shows that your characterizations of those who are proponents of tethering and/or leery of mr. goodwin's motives are specious. the committee prohibiting a participant who is pro-tethering is unfair and patently un-american. should they choose to discard the input from such a participant, that would be tragic, but at least have the appearance of fairness. to prevent others from even receiving such a point of view for consideration is reprehensible.
by ykw 19 Apr 2007, 3:27am Report this comment
Ah, so now you admit your dogfighting friends were lying when they claimed Mr. Goodwin was a convicted arsonist. That is similar to how they lied about Koki's credentials. You guys sure do lie a lot. So you can point to some hatchet piece on the internet that quotes Goodwin from over a decade ago, or you can see what he has written after growing up where he has condemned illegal activities. http://www.satyamag.com/mar04/pacelle.html Goodwin came to condemn extremism. It's too bad convicted dogfighter Tom Garner can't come to condemn the crimes he has been, and probably still is, involved in. Unlike Goodwin, Garner just can't find it in his heart to become a responsible citizen. He clearly keeps on selling dogs with the intent to fight, and uses deceptive means to try and influence county politics, even going so far as trying to deceive the county commission with his puppet Alane Koki.
by dannyboy Hillsborough 19 Apr 2007, 9:25am Report this comment
there you go again with the specious attacks and inflammatory buzzwords. I don't have any "dogfighting friends" and I've already said you were right that spittenred had been mistaken in his characterization; being wrong occasionally does not always constitute a "lie". I also however pointed out that goodwin is just as much a "convict" as garner. why would some group have him as their spokesman if he hadn't "grown up" yet? that is ludicrous and sounds like some kind of spin doctoring to me. goodwin not only was convicted of some sort of terrorist conspiracy but was "ecstatic" about an arson where PEOPLE could have been killed. I don't try and assume someone's "intent" either (especially someone I don't know). I don't know your motive here, only that you are being especially nasty and insulting, and althoguh I have my suspicions, I won't speak them as thoguh they are fact. selling dogs, does not mean the guy sells them "for fighting" any more than someone selling a gun sells it "for murder". some folks use things how they shouldn't, I would venture that 99% of all dogs sold by garner are used in legitimate conformation shows, weight pulling competitions and/or just as companions. personally, I don't try and speak for others. you sound a lot like goodwin trying to defend himself in the third person. if so, I'll go along with your charade a bit longer, and take a page from your inflammatory book... don't try to lie for your terrorist, arsonist friends.
by ykw 19 Apr 2007, 1:36pm Report this comment
The assumption that animals are without rights, and the illusion that our treatment of them has no moral significance, is a positively outrageous example of Western crudity and barbarity. Universal compassion is the only guarantee of morality. -Arthur Schopenhauer Need I say more. Thank you for the excellent investigative journalism that exposed this corruption. Maybe Ms Koki and Mr Garner need to be chained for a few days and see how they like it. Wouldn't it be wonderful if both were attacked by wild vicious pitt bulls that they help perpetuate.
by P. Anselmo , Virginia 25 Apr 2007, 9:44am Report this comment
It is unbelievable how anyone (except people fighting dogs) can excuse ties to dogfighting. Regardless of the reason. If it was no big deal, why not disclose it? One other point: Why does the animal control officer think there are only two methods of keeping a dog: tethered or in a crate. BOTH are sad when done for extended periods of time. When someone treats a dog this way, clearly they have become an inconvenience. A dog that is an inconvenience only gets the bare minimum of care (and often not even that). You can forget socialization, exercise and vet care. One can only hope that what comes around goes around.
by whiskers , Nearby State 25 Apr 2007, 8:25pm Report this comment
by Jennifer Strom, Indy Managing Editor Durham 26 Apr 2007, 7:28am Report this comment
I am reading this and everyone is talking about this as if it were as simple as penning vs tethering. Most reputable breeders do use kenneling, you can't dig under a kennel if installed properly because they will be mounted to concrete with 150 sq. ft. of room with proper shelter and the dogs are removed routinely for cleaning and excercise. They also won't try to chew their way out if they aren't forced to spend their entire lives in a kennel, dogs require socialization and interaction to remain mentally stable. I don't see anyone here as being a "reputable" breeder. There are very few of those in this country. If you've never been to an animal shelter on euthanasia day, you won't have a clue about what I'm saying here.Pure bred pit bulls, great danes, german shepherds, labrador retrievers, akitas, mastiffs, golden retrievers, english sheepdogs, doberman pinchers, rottweilers, poodles, chihuauas and every other dog you can imagine are killed every single day in this country and still we have people breeding dogs that call themselves "reputable breeders" It's insane. As far as tethering a dog " responsibly " that's a contradiction in terms. Unless the dog is tethered for elimination purposes, and is not left un-attended, what could be responsible about it ? Leaving a dog chained outside as a primary means of confinement is cruel. Whether it makes them mean or not should not be the issue. Whether they are happy to be a lawn ornament or not should be the only issue. And yes, keeping them chained as a means to prevent unwanted pregnancy is a joke. Just as recently as this week we had to talk to a young man about his dog who has been chained in a backyard where she was impregnated by multiple stray dogs and gave birth to a litter of 8 puppies. This was the sweetest dog I've ever met and I know she deserves better than that ! Emotions ? You bet, but I've also done my research on this subject and I know that if it is inconvenient for you to build a safe fenced area for your dog(s) and you won't take your dog(s) into your home to be a part of your family or you can't afford to keep your dog safe ( and there is nothing safe about being trapped and vulnerable at the end of a chain ) you should have no right to own a dog. Owning a dog should not be an ilaienable right, but a revocable priveledge. www.dogsdeservebetter.org www.mothersagainstdogchaining.org www.unchainyourdog.org
by Belanger , Indiana 14 Jun 2007, 8:17am Report this comment
http://www.adbadog.com/p_pdetails.asp?fpid=138 Quoted from the American Dog Breeders Association. Scientific evidence will also prove that tethering a dog is the safest and most humane way to contain them. "Tethering Letter Just remember, as soon as anti-tethering legislation is well established, it is time to start the anti-crate containment. Then it is time to pitch a fit about leaving your dog alone in the yard, and then leaving it alone all day in the house. Equating confinement with cruelty is the strategy of the ARistas. Any argument that you make against tethering, can be made against any other form of confinement. You all have seen dogs exhibiting barrier frustration running up and down a fence barking aggressively. This “makes” a dog as aggressive as tethering so it will need to be legislated against as well. The cycle will not end until no one can keep dogs—mission accomplished. The truth is, a dog is not made aggressive by a type of confinement. It is a temperament issue. Guard/territorial dogs are more likely to exhibit aggression when confined since they have been selectively bred to be protective of their territory. Foxhounds, huskies, beagles hardly ever will show aggression as they are social dogs who were raised in groups and aggression was highly undesirable and selected against. Training and socialization will curb aggression in your guard breeds (they learn what is acceptable and needn’t be guarded against). Undersocialized territorial breeds will be aggressive; undersocialized social dogs will usually be timid and submissive when approached. A dog with a territorial temperament will display aggression no matter where it is confined (house, car, crate, yard, tethered). A social temperament will respond in a friendly manner no matter where it is contained. Tethering is preferred by me. Gives the dog more space, can be on dirt (dogs love dirt where they can dig and snoot around in it), can put out a kiddie pool for splashing, can move around move than in a kennel, feel the breeze and sunlight, roll on the grass, sniff the outdoor scents, mark on things; in other words, do doggy things that it cannot do inside the house. You also have more contact with the dog when working outside as the dog is right there to be petted than behind a fence or in a kennel. If you have more than one dog, tethering allows more interaction between dogs without a barrier. I do not believe in EVER leaving dogs together alone unsupervised. But tethering allows the dogs to interact with one another without full body contact so prevents fight injuries if for some reason a fight might break out. A friend of mine had one of her OTCH champion Papillions killed by her other OTCH champion, a sibling in while they were in their backyard—it was devastating. The dogs had been together for years and were close buddies, but this particular day, something happened. A dog on a 15 ft. tether has 706.5 square feet to move around in. This also facilitates hygiene making it easier to clean and to rotate the dog to different areas. Ground is softer than concrete which for dogs that chew up their beds, is a health concern. Even the U.S. government uses this form of containment for their sled dog teams in Denali. Tethering is NOT an issue. It is a way of safely confining a dog. Neglect is an issue, lack of training/socialization is an issue, lack of shelter and water is an issue; but containing a dog on a tether is NOT. It is a perfectly acceptable, humane, and dog-friendly way of containment. ANY ARGUMENT MADE AGAINST TETHERING CAN BE MADE AGAINST ANY OTHER FORM OF CONTAINMENT......AND WILL BE EVENTUALLY. Remember the goal.....total animal liberation from human use. It is curious that man has been tethering dogs for thousands of years, and man and dog have flourished just wonderfully together, and now all of a sudden it is cruel. Neglect is cruel. Tethering is not. Deb T." Furthermore, anti-tethering laws only lead to more stray dogs getting loose, as dogs can dig and climb out of cages, kennels, and kennel runs. So all you stupid humaniacs, where is your argument now?
by Concerned Citizen#1 NC 19 Nov 2007, 3:15pm Report this comment
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