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Schoolkids in Chapel Hill to close; Redeye Distribution passes on offer to purchase

After 33 years on Franklin Street, Schoolkids packs up

27 FEB 2008  •  by Mosi Secret



The Chapel Hill location of Schoolkids Records on East Franklin Street is closing its doors for good at the end of March. After more than 30 years of business in the town, owner Mike Phillips says foot traffic virtually died at the store in the last 16 months. "As much as I would like to keep the store open as a national landmark, it's not worth losing money," Phillips says.

He plans to liquidate most of his stock and transfer what's left to the Raleigh location, which will remain open as long as the store makes a profit. "We'll lower things to cost to get rid of them," he says of the Chapel Hill stock, "but that's not exactly any savings for anybody because the damn things cost a fortune."

Phillips blames rising CD prices and widespread music downloading for the Chapel Hill location's quick decline in sales. "Our bread and butter has always been college kids, but these kids are savvy," Phillips says. "If you can download these things free of charge, there is no reason in most cases to pay a ridiculous amount of money for a hard copy. The record companies these days are basically run by CPAs. ... [They] don't realize when a list price on a compact disc is $19, people are not going to pay that."

Independent music distributor Redeye, based in Mebane and partly managed by former Schoolkids employees, approached Phillips to purchase the store, Phillips says, but the deal fell through. "Everyone hates to see a landmark like this close and they felt that way too, but they just have too much going on to deal with this."

"One of the guys who works here used to work there, and he personally was very interested in seeing what the possibilities were," says Redeye co-owner and label manager Glenn Dicker, adding that no official offer was ever made. "We have so many different initiatives on our plate that opening a physical retail store seemed like a very difficult thing to take on."

Schoolkids Records music stores have been in most major college towns on the East Coast. The chain started in 1972 in Athens, Ga., and the Chapel Hill store, now at its third location on East Franklin Street, opened in 1975. A second storefront in Chapel Hill opened in 2005 but closed last year.

"Many of our sister stores have moved toward being half-music, half-lifestyle stores," says Ric Culross, manager of the Chapel Hill and Raleigh locations. "They're also selling black lights and T-shirts—current trends—because the markup is huge."

Still, Phillips says the days are gone when independent music stores can make a large profit. "No one will ever make any money doing this, but there are those who still love doing it. They will have to be very shrewd business people and really know what they're doing."

This story originally appeared on indyweek.com Monday, Feb. 25.

12 COMMENTS

Hmm, would've been nice to see a comment from the owner of the *other* record store in town, CD Alley. Every time I go in there, there are other folks in there browsing. Of course, since it has a capacity of about 7 people, it doesn't take many bodies to make it feel crowded.
by rossgrady Durham 25 Feb 2008, 3:03pm Report this comment
Ross, seriously. This story isn't about competition in local record retail. It's about a Franklin St. landmark closing its doors after over 30 years of business. I don't understand why you seem to be looking at this story in ANY other way. I've worked at Schoolkids for over two and half years now. I go to CD Alley, I even buy things there that we can't get at Schoolkids. The two stores catered to entirely different groups of people. If you mean to imply that CD Alley "ran us out of business" then you are sadly mistaken friend. The University in Chapel Hill pays for every student to have a free subsciption to Ruckus, one of those free music RENTAL services, and in doing a Documentary on this exact subject I found out that THAT more than anything is the reason we've seen such drastic drops in sales here. CD Alley has and will continue to thrive in this town because they rely, as Ryan said in his post on the N&O story, the "record collectors" and people looking for more obscure titles. We at Schoolkids, basically ON campus, had to cater to a different crowd, and we tried. That crowd is shrinking...and that is too bad. Seriously man, lay off the petty argumentative tip because there is nothing to argue about.
by jonmackey (itsjonmackey@gmail.com) Chapel Hill 25 Feb 2008, 4:43pm Report this comment
Sh*t that is really depressing. I also did not know about UNC-CH offering Ruckus. (Speaking for my label Urban Myth, we have yet to net $10 based on hundreds of Ruckus streams.) While I certainly remember with sympathy how broke I was in college, a healthy appetite for recorded music was at least half the reason for my brokeness. I guess what we need now is legislation to make AT&T and Time Warner Cable pay _something_ to music creators out of the $40 they extort monthly thanks to goverment-sanctioned mono- and duopolies. It might happen in Canada and Europe but I'm not exactly holding my breath here.
by bryk Raleigh 25 Feb 2008, 7:54pm Report this comment
remember when Monster Records was down where Vespa is currently? then, Schoolkids bought them out. remember when there was a Record Exchange in the alleyway near the current location of Cosmic Cantina? at least we will still have CD Alley. sad to see these folks pack it in after all these years. lots of fond memories of that place for sure.
by shadle NC 25 Feb 2008, 8:23pm Report this comment
just to clarify this last post, Schoolkids didn't buy out Monster, it was the other way around. Mike Phillips owned the Schoolkids locations in Raleigh and Cary but Chapel Hill was owned by Pepper with Pepper's Pizza. Monster opened (on Halloween 1994) because we were getting a lot of business in Raleigh (I worked about both stores) and knew there were some needs in Chapel Hill.. and Franklin Street was starting to grow West.. obviously it could not be called Schoolkids so we named it Monster b/c we were going to open on Halloween. Eventually Pepper wanted out and sold his location to Phillips and it was changed back to schoolkids, but the Monster staff moved into East Franklin. Sad to see the store go.
by sonicyouth Chapel Hill 25 Feb 2008, 11:25pm Report this comment
Jon, I was merely commenting on the lack of a quote from Ryan in the article, particularly given Mike's assertion in his press release that y'all were competition-less in Chapel Hill. I wasn't even trying to suggest that somehow CD Alley had driven Schoolkids out of business (as I said, CD Alley is *tiny*). Like Bryk, I didn't know that UNC had jumped on the "avoid RIAA hassles by paying Ruckus to make them go away" bandwagon.
by rossgrady Durham 26 Feb 2008, 12:12pm Report this comment
Ross, this story doesn't use the press release you mention. That "press release" (which was sent mostly to advertising agents) was only published by the News & Observer. And when we were preparing this story on Friday morning, we didn't feel it was fair to call Ryan at CD Alley and say, "Schoolkids is closing, which you may not know yet. How does that make you feel?" At that point, no one knew. The story was done before Mister Phillips sent his press release which made the assertion in question.
by grayson currin, indy music editor (gcurrin@indyweek.com) Raleigh 26 Feb 2008, 1:17pm Report this comment
No...Ross, I understood your intent completely it was simply inappropriate for the situation. As Grayson said, this article had/has nothing to do with CD Alley...absolutely nothing in fact.
by jonmackey (itsjonmackey@gmail.com) Chapel Hill 26 Feb 2008, 3:37pm Report this comment
Frank Stasio will be talking to Mac McCaughan about this on NPR today at noon.
by Will Hackney (willhack15@hotmail.com) Chapel Hill 29 Feb 2008, 9:11am Report this comment
I hate it that another downtown CH institution has closed. At the end of every semester, I looked forward to selling my text books and walking to School Kids to buy CDs I otherwise couldn't have afforded or wouldn't have been able to find at cruddy retail chains some fifteen years ago. Still, I won't miss the sarcastic comments and the much-cooler-than-thou attitude I'd get from clerks for buying the wrong CDs or not dressing ironic or cool enough. Haven't been to School Kids in six months, but I hope I wouldn't run into the likes of JonMackey and endure a lecture on the distinction between School Kids and other record stores. Frankly, avoiding snarky clerks is one of the appeals of browsing emusic.
by Too(un)CoolForSchool(Kids) Hillsborough 1 Mar 2008, 11:44am Report this comment
I think the interesting thing about the Ruckus angle hasn't been talked about yet: Why did UNC offer Ruckus in the first place? To stem the tide of "illegal" P2P downloading and protect themselves and students from the uber-litigious RIAA. The big media businesses are now placing more and more blame on the network admins that "facilitate" P2P, so UNC felt like it had to protect itself by offering a "legal" alternative. The irony? That, if Jon's claim is true, the RIAA helped drive the nails into Schoolkid's coffin.
by Mike Nutt Carrboro 1 Mar 2008, 12:54pm Report this comment
whoa, too(un)coolforschool(kids), that's intense! I have to say that I'm sort of hurt that you imply that me or any of my coworkers have at ANY point made you or any other shoppers UNCOMFRORTABLE for buying whatever music you chose or dressing a certain way. That is ridiculous. Perhaps in the distant past you may have dealt with some of these "snarky" clerks, but I assure that I myself am not a snarky clerk, and neither are any of the people who have been working here for at least the past two years. I mean, seriously...have you heard the music that some of us listen to? Or have you seen the way we dress? we have no room to comment on ANYONE's tastes...whatsoever. If I've done something personally to offend you, I'm very sorry, but never in all of my employment at Schoolkids have I ascibed to a *better than ANYONE* attitude, or made sarcastic comments about anything that ANYONE has EVER bought. I apologize on behalf of everyone here for whoever it was who, in the past, may have made you feel this way. By the way, Right now, all non-consignment CDs are 10% off and all vinyl is 20% off....come buy stuff!!!!!
by jonmackey (itsjonmackey@gmail.com) Chapel Hill 2 Mar 2008, 12:44pm Report this comment
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