HomeNewsFeature  }

Drink it raw

Why is unprocessed milk the only illegal food in North Carolina?

20 JUN 2007  •  by Suzanne Nelson



Contraband raw milk
Photo by Rex Miller
I showed up at the farm in the dark of night. This was not a necessary element to procuring my illicit elixir, but it somehow seemed apropos. A lone light and the moon illuminated the gravel drive between my car and the barn in rural Alamance County. A black cat scurried across my path, and I mused at the irony.

Just as promised, I found the milk in the fridge. "Nelson" was printed neatly on the glass with indelible ink on an otherwise unlabeled jar. No one was around except for a dog, who surveyed my intentions and went back to guarding the cows. I left the money on the counter and departed with my contraband.

This was actually the least secretive element in my quest to find raw milk. Getting here had required everything short of a secret handshake.

After delicately putting the word out that I was looking, I was interviewed by a local gatekeeper who gave me the name of someone else who would send me in the right direction. In order to get that far, I had to prove my bona fides. The gatekeeper wanted to know my experience with raw milk, an attempt to ascertain whether I was a state health official operating a sting. Most newcomers are referred by friends as a way to keep the farmers in a circle of trust. Many are turned away. My words alone must have been persuasive, and I soon received a message directing me to the next gatekeeper, who in turn provided the name of a local producer.

The first time I called the farm I got a recording. A week went by, no call back. Had I blown it with my to-the-point message? The next time I phoned, a young boy answered. I told him the name of the person who sent me and why I was calling. He told me the farm didn't sell milk. Then he hung up.

What I was after isn't technically illegal. Although it's against the law to sell unpasteurized milk for human consumption in the state, it's perfectly legit for a farmer to sell such milk for "animal consumption only," also known as "pet milk."

But I'm part of a rapidly growing underground in North Carolina and across the country, because few people actually buy it for their pets. Far more commonly, its devotees are people who have allergies, eczema, autoimmune diseases, cancer, difficulty digesting processed milk, and parents who say it has helped their children overcome behavioral and health issues. And included among that bunch are those who think simply that it's the only milk worth drinking. They call it "real milk." In their eyes, the stuff on the grocery store shelves might as well be called a "milk-flavored beverage," the way Cheez Whiz is a "processed cheese food."

The legal limbo derives from the presumption that people are drinking the pet milk. The farmers know it, and most operate on a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

The state regulatory bodies also know it. Yet because drinking unadulterated milk is completely legal, they are relegated to going after those selling it—a dicey proposition, because those farms are also peddling it within the letter, if not the spirit, of the law. At this point, the state essentially has found itself policing winks and nods.

When and how did the sale of one of nature's most perfect foods become a crime? And why is it legal to sell uncooked meat, raw seafood, alcohol, tobacco and firearms—but unprocessed milk is more difficult to obtain than marijuana?



Raw milk is only supposed to be sold in North Carolina for use by pets—often a legal fiction.
Photo by Derek Anderson

There is a Latin phrase perennially useful in unraveling great mysteries: Cui bono? Who benefits? The dairy industry in the United States is a $40 billion-a-year business, not including federal subsidies, which themselves run in the billions. Farmers step outside of this rigid system at their peril. In 2003, a maverick dairyman in California tried to sell milk at 20 cents less a gallon than his competition by snubbing the public-private consortium that has controlled milk production for 70 years. His brazen move was squashed by an act of Congress.

Milk is big business. And pasteurization is a necessary element to dairy consolidation, as it permits milk to be stored and transported over long periods and distances.

In this environment, 20th-century fear becomes a powerful agent in 21st-century greed. Many of the farmers I spoke to for this article reminded me that whomever controls the food supply controls the people, and that scholars going back to Aristotle understood food as the first medicine. Instead of protecting our freedom to procure whatever food we deem necessary to achieve robust health, federal and state governments, with precious few exceptions, have lined up to make raw milk illegal.

The disconnect is startling. Federal and state health officials warn that consuming raw milk can kill you, and considerable government heft is thrown behind efforts to keep it out of reach. And yet countless people go to great lengths to find it, and report feeling more alive after drinking it, even claiming that unprocessed milk has cured chronic illnesses like asthma and irritable bowel syndrome that pharmaceuticals didn't touch.

Cui bono?

To discourage human consumption of unpasteurized milk, the N.C. Department of Agriculture recently proposed requiring that all pet milk sold in the state be colored with charcoal dye. The agriculture board was set to vote on the proposal last month but put off the decision until they could determine whether the dye would compromise the organic certification of those farmers who use the milk as animal feed.

"The concern was that we had reports that some people were selling raw milk that was supposedly being sold as pet food, but in fact both parties to the transaction knew it was going to be used for human consumption. And this was just a way of discouraging that," says Assistant Commissioner of Agriculture David McLeod.

To the N.C. Department of Health, this is a life and death issue.

"Raw milk—milk that has not been pasteurized—contains harmful bacteria that may cause illness and possible death," says state epidemiologist Dr. Jeff Engel.

The department is currently investigating the circumstances surrounding a dozen people in Wilkes County who recently became ill with Campylobacter, one of the most common bacterial causes of diarrhea, after drinking raw milk from the same farm. Samples of the milk came up negative for the bacterium, although Engel said that does not discount raw milk as his team's "leading theory" for the recent spate of illnesses.

Raw milk advocate Ruth Ann Foster of Guilford County has been following the investigation closely and believes that the health department's stated agenda against raw milk is causing the investigators to overlook more likely causes, including reports issued by Engel's own office of widespread viral gastroenteritis (the so-called stomach flu) causing similar symptoms. Foster points out that state investigators have only asked people who were recently sick and who also drank raw milk to come forward, which she says is a blatantly unscientific way of finding data.

Engel responded that if his office asked everyone who recently experienced gastrointestinal illness to come forward, they'd "be overwhelmed, because that's a common illness."

Foster says that proves her point. According to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, most Campylobacter infections are "sporadic and not associated with an outbreak." The bacteria are commonly found in the intestinal tracks of humans and animals with no sign of illness. A recent two-year Minnesota Department of Health study found that 88 percent of poultry sampled from local supermarkets tested positive for Campylobacter.

Nonetheless, Engel says raw milk is the "common thread" among those who have come forward.

Foster calls it the most "far-fetched, grasping-at-straws nonsense" that she's ever heard.

This chasm is common in the quiet battles raging all over the country regarding individuals' rights to procure raw milk. It's an issue that cuts to the core of health freedom. Raw milk stands alone as the only food that has ever been outlawed, and its advocates point out that it took a constitutional amendment to ban alcohol.

Although the FDA and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention both avidly warn of raw milk's dangers, its demand is growing rapidly. Raw milk is available at retail stores in eight states and legally sold at the farm gate in a couple dozen more. Until three years ago, North Carolina allowed contractual agreements through which consumers could purchase a share in a cow or goat, pay the farmer the agricultural equivalent of room and board—much in the way people pay stables to care for their horses—and then have a legal right to the animal's milk, or a fraction thereof. Cow shares were banned in 2004 with a line slipped into unrelated legislation without a hearing.

It is that legal arrangement that raw milk advocates in the state are trying to reinstate. Sen. Kay Hagan (D-Guilford) introduced a bill this session that would repeal the ban.

"I have been amazed at the number of people I have met who want to drink milk that comes from a cow that has been raised not in confinement, grazed on grass, no hormones or antibiotics," Hagan says, adding, "back to what God and nature intended."

She admits that the first time Foster, her constituent, approached her about the issue of raw milk, she thought to herself, "What is she talking about?

"I think we all come to the table with preconceived notions that pasteurized milk is the only way to go," Hagan says. "You really have to understand the history of it to understand where we are today."



Contented cows at the Chapel Hill Creamery, whose milk is used to make cheese
Photo by Derek Anderson

Hagan's bill passed the Senate last month by a vote of 39-9, and is now awaiting approval in the House. Foster was the only expert witness to testify for the bill in committee, while at least a dozen industry representatives and state and federal health officials showed up to speak against it, including scientists and lobbyists sent down from Washington, D.C.

But in many ways, Foster and public health authorities are talking about two different foods. The raw milk that its advocates want to get back to isn't the industrialized product of the early 20th century, but milk that harks back to a much simpler time, when many Americans raised their own dairy animals or knew someone who did. The milk was local and consumed fresh. (See "Pasteurization: An escape from The Jungle" below.)

Most importantly, the cows were raised in pastures. Cows are ruminants (as are sheep and goats) and thrive on grasses. Nonetheless, 90 percent of dairy cows in the United States live their entire lives in sheds with cement floors, never once feeding on pasture. They are fed corn, soy and processed food wastes instead, and the result is a dramatically shorter lifespan and milk that has a far different nutritional and biological composition.

Cows raised on pasture typically live through eight to 10 lactations, usually about 10 to 12 and even as long as 15 years. Feedlot cattle produce an average of 1.8 lactations and are usually hamburger before they are 4 years old. By that time, they can no longer produce milk, or their ankles give out under their own weight. About 25 percent of meat sold is from such "downer" animals. The cows are routinely given steady doses of antibiotics because they are not healthy enough to fight infection on their own, and many are injected with hormones to increase their production.

Ronnie Cooper, a dairy farmer with about 35 cows north of Boone, says he just doesn't understand it. "They run through their cows. They have got them in confined barns, on concrete. They have a lot of trouble with the cows going lame. One or two lactations and they have to sell them. Ours will go for years and years," he says.

The deadly strain of E.coli that is often cited as a reason to pasteurize milk is itself a product of feedlot cattle. The 0157:H7 strain had never been seen before 1980. Ruminants eating a diet of grass have a neutral stomach pH, and any microbes that reside there are highly susceptible to the more acidic environments of human digestive tracts and quickly die. But cows that eat corn have much more acidic stomachs, and thus the bacteria have evolved to thrive in acidic environments, eliminating our natural defense.

It's not just E.coli, either. Dutch researchers have found much lower rates of Salmonella in dairy herds with access to pasture.

For many raw milk drinkers, milk is not merely a commodity, but the ultimate manifestation of nature's delicate balance.

"I don't think you can get good milk from unhappy, sick animals. It's a process that really comes full circle," says Evin Evans, who runs Split Creek Farm in Anderson, S.C. Split Creek is home to 400 dairy goats, and the milk is sold under the state's Grade A Raw license.

In South Carolina, state regulators allow milk slated to be pasteurized to contain bacterial counts of up to 100,000 bacteria per milliliter. Milk sold under the Grade A Raw license must stay under 30,000 bacteria per milliliter.

Mike Senkpiel, of Durham, who feeds raw milk to his 5-year-old daughter, reckons that drinking pasteurized milk is basically consuming billions of dead bacteria.

Among the two dozen people interviewed for this article, not one said they would drink raw milk from a conventional dairy.

In fact, a 2000 Listeria outbreak in Winston-Salem that health authorities frequently cite as an example of the dangers of raw milk likely involved milk that was supposed to be pasteurized. Five stillbirths, three premature deaths and two infected newborns were attributed to fresh Mexican-style cheese made from raw milk. The two cheese makers told the CDC that they had purchased the milk from a manufacturing-grade dairy in Forsyth County. (However, one individual who had been sick had not eaten the cheese, and the majority of the group had also eaten hot dogs during a period when 900,000 pounds of hot dogs had been recalled due to Listeria contamination.)

Raw milk proponents will tell you they don't think it's impossible to get sick from drinking unpasteurized milk, just that it's unlikely, especially vis-à-vis other foods. According to data by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, on a per serving basis, an individual is 10 times more likely to contract Listeria from consuming deli meats than raw milk. And overall, dairy (pasteurized or not) distantly trails produce, poultry and meat products in causing food-borne illness, according to the CDC.

Perhaps more importantly, raw milk consumers have a near universal mantra: Know thy source. "Because it's interactive between customer and farmer, it's tighter than any regulation would be," says a North Carolina farmer who moved to Virginia after cow shares were banned. He asked not to be named for fear of undue attention.



Portia McKnight walks Audrey, a 4-year-old Jersey Dairy Cow, for her morning milking at Chapel Hill Creamery
Photo by Derek Anderson

Implicit in the definition of raw milk is the absence of another modification ubiquitous in its processed cousin: homogenization, the system of breaking down the fat globules so they no longer separate from the other components. The only tangible benefit to consumers from homogenized milk is not having to shake the container, although there is evidence that the extrusion process denatures the nutrients and makes them far more difficult to digest.

Milk processors, on the other hand, benefit tremendously from homogenization because it allows them to skim some of the highly profitable cream off the top, sell it separately for ice cream and butter, and then reconstitute the milk sold on the shelves with milk powder in an attempt to restore its original texture. Even "whole milk" is processed in this way.

Dwayne Haus, a Triangle-area naturopath who recommends raw milk to his patients, says real milk is a living food. "As soon as you pasteurize it, as soon as you homogenize it, you have a dead product," Haus explains.

Worse, sometimes the bacteria are not completely killed in the pasteurization process or the milk is contaminated afterward, both of which can be disastrous. The largest milk contamination in the country involved improperly pasteurized milk, sickening 5,000 people in 1985. There have been thousands of cases of illness (including dozens of deaths) attributed to milk that had been pasteurized. Yet the FDA and CDC's dire warnings about drinking raw milk never mention them.

Some studies have shown that milk may have its own defenses from contamination, defenses destroyed by heat. A 1982 study in Applied and Environmental Microbiology showed that Campylobacter cultures inserted in milk died much more quickly and completely in raw milk than in milk that had been pasteurized. Subsequent studies showed similar antimicrobial properties in raw milk.

Referring to pasteurized milk, the Virginia farmer says, "A good place to grow bacteria is basically what it is."

Milk in its raw state has more than a dozen components that protect it from contamination and aid digestion. There is a growing consensus in the medical community that our bodies and particularly our intestinal tracts cannot function optimally without a healthy balance of symbiotic bacteria that help us digest our food and perform other vital functions. Beneficial bacteria are naturally present in milk but are destroyed by pasteurization and homogenization.

Engel, the state epidemiologist, says there is absolutely "no evidence" that raw milk is healthier than processed milk.

But studies published as recently as last month and going back to the late 19th century suggest otherwise.

A 2006 paper in the Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology showed that childhood consumption of raw milk resulted in significant reductions in the development of asthma, eczema and hay fever. Blood analysis of study participants revealed that children who drank raw milk had 50 percent lower histamine levels than controls. A previous study in the prestigious British medical journal The Lancet in 1999 showed similar results.

Just last month, a study of nearly 15,000 European children published in Clinical & Experimental Allergy found a statistically significant inverse relationship between consumption of "farm milk" and asthma and allergies.

Scientific testimonies to the health benefits of raw milk are hardly new, and much of the research on this subject was conducted decades ago. A 1937 study published in The Lancet revealed that children who drank raw milk were less likely to develop cavities than children given pasteurized milk, and they also had higher resistance to tuberculosis.

An even earlier study in the American Journal of Diseases of Children in 1917 revealed that raw milk prevented scurvy and protected against flu, diphtheria and pneumonia (all illnesses for which American children are now routinely vaccinated).

Despite this research, the FDA and CDC's latest joint release states bluntly: "Consuming raw milk may be harmful to health." The statement goes on to assert that there is "no meaningful nutritional difference between pasteurized and raw milk, and raw milk does not contain compounds that will kill harmful bacteria."

The North Carolinians I met who regularly drink raw milk regard the FDA's analysis with a mixture of indifference and derision. For Jane Ezzard, a Durham nurse who no longer has to be hospitalized annually because of her allergies, the personal experience of newfound health outweigh government-sanctioned fear.

What unites raw milk drinkers is their incredulity at the state telling them what foods they can and cannot purchase.



Dr. Clark Wang, a Duke University-trained psychiatrist (with his partner, Jane Ezzard), says he was "radically transformed" by what he learned when a lymphoma diagnosis led him to discover the benefits of raw milk.
Photo by Rex Miller

Dr. Clark Wang, a Duke-trained psychiatrist, calls his illegal purchases through a "clandestine, black-market milk co-op" an act of "civil disobedience." Some of Wang's passion may be attributable to his diagnosis with a type of lymphoma for which Western medicine has little answers and no cure. He calls the yogurt that Ezzard, his partner, makes for him with raw milk the "foundation of my anti-cancer program."

Wang says he was "radically transformed" by his research into and personal journey with raw milk, "as a man, as a physician, as a healer." Pasteurization laws, he says, are nothing more than a "government systematic program campaign to support industrial dairy."

"Pasteurization," Wang says, "doesn't improve the safety or health of dairy."

This deep suspicion of industry motives and their perceived patrons in government at all levels is a common thread.

Sally Fallon, president of the Weston A. Price Foundation, a national nonprofit dedicated to preserving dietary traditions, points out that four corporations control 80 percent of the milk in the United States.

"Milk is no longer a local product. North Carolina is a net milk importer, and it used to be a dairy state. Pasteurization is the thing that has allowed this industry to consolidate," Fallon says, adding, "The laws about pasteurization are for economic reasons. The health argument is based on 40-year-old science that would not hold up in court."

Fallon and others point out that large dairies and the surrounding industries that process the milk have everything to lose from milk transactions occurring directly between consumer and farmer, while the farmers I spoke to said such transactions are vital to their ability to exist. Cooper, the farmer near Boone, says at age 57, farming "is pretty much all I've ever done."

Sen. Hagan speaks of farmers like Cooper often when talking about her cow-share bill, titled "Small Dairy Sustainability."

"Our studies show there were 5,000 dairies [in the state] in 1970, and now we're down to 340. Those numbers are dwindling every year," she says. "If you look at the history of North Carolina, we were primarily an agrarian society. There is a huge concern that we have green space and open space and small farms." The way you preserve that quality of life, she says, is supporting small farmers' ability to make a living.

The difference in the economics of a conventional dairy farm that sells its milk to distributors and a pasture-based dairy with direct sales (or cow shares) is considerable. Conventional farmers are receiving about $1 per gallon, the lowest price in 25 years. In 2002, dairy farms went out of business at a rate of 16 per day, according to the Weston A. Price Foundation. Raw milk is fetching between $5 and upward of $15 a gallon.

The Carolina/Virginia Dairy Products Association, which represents milk processors, has hired a lobbyist to oppose Hagan's bill. Glenn Jernigan—who has also represented biotech giant Monsanto—is helping the association "get the message out to legislators about our concerns," in the words of Managing Director Stevie Hughes.

Hughes maintains the association's opposition is entirely centered on public health. She adamantly denies any economic motivation. "Our concern is the product that is ultimately sold is going to be safe," Hughes says.

But Hagan's bill would not put raw milk on grocery store shelves. It would simply re-legalize boarding agreements for dairy animals, allowing people without access to farmland to drink milk from their own cows.

"I find it very difficult to understand how cow shares, which is a contractual agreement, a boarding arrangement, cannot be permitted when other contractual agreements are acceptable," says a Piedmont dairy farmer who is in the process of moving her cows out of North Carolina because of the state's hostility to raw milk. "I find that discriminatory."

The state agriculture and health departments both oppose Hagan's bill. Local health departments also have joined the fray. The Wilkes County Health Department sent out an "Alert!!!" to area doctors and hospitals linking the recent Campylobacter outbreak to unpasteurized milk. The release also encouraged healthcare practitioners to contact Sen. Steve Goss, a Democrat who represents the area west of Winston-Salem, to "ask him to reconsider sponsorship" of Hagan's bill because of "the health risks associated with raw milk consumption." He withdrew as a cosponsor and voted against the bill.

Engel, the state epidemiologist, says if residents want raw milk badly enough, they can go to South Carolina or get a cow, dairy shares excluded.

"We relax the pasteurization laws, and I'll be counting illness and death. It's hard to deny that," Engel says. Asked for the illness and death statistics from states where raw milk is legal, he responded, "I can't tell you that off the top of my head."

Ultimately what divides Engel and raw milk proponents is a different understanding of who is ultimately responsible for their health. The raw milk drinkers and farmers interviewed for this article don't expect the state to protect them from every microbe, nor do they think such efforts are possible or even desirable.

"I think the ultimate responsibility for my health and your health and everybody else's is our own. I don't think we're conscious enough about having ownership of that," says Evans, the South Carolina goat farmer.

Alice Hall, a Durham volunteer who organizes the North Carolina Natural Milk Campaign (www.ncrawmilk.org), says the issue is even more fundamental to her. "It's about freedom of speech and freedom of choice."


Pasteurization: An escape from The Jungle



Louis Pasteur
The unfiltered history of pasteurization—as opposed to the sanitized version glorifying its pioneer, Louis Pasteur—recently has come under intensified scrutiny as the Internet has given activists the ability to search 100-year-old medical journals, long-forgotten media accounts and a larger context in which to understand the public policy shift toward pasteurized dairy.

What led up to widespread pasteurization reads like a page out of Upton Sinclair's The Jungle at the turn of the 20th century. Indeed, the filth and corruption that Sinclair exposed in the meat business was mirrored in the increasingly industrialized dairy industry. Cows were confined to manure-laden stalls and fed the byproducts of an increasingly industrialized economy. Milk was diluted with sewage-tainted water. Chalk, plaster, white clay and even animal brains were added to cover up for the absence of cream, which had been skimmed and sold separately. There was little sanitation or refrigeration.

This was not the milk of our ancestors, who drank the stuff straight from the cow (or goat or ewe). This product was quite different, and in many cases quite dirty. Sometimes it wasn't even milk.

Pasteurization was viewed by many as a short-term solution until the industry could be cleaned up. Although pasteurization found a deep-pocketed advocate in Nathan Straus, the co-owner of Macy's who had lost a son to contaminated milk, many physicians in the early 1900s recognized that heating milk destroyed vital nutrients and enzymes. In fact, Dr. J.E. Crewe, founder of the Mayo Clinic, prescribed raw milk to his patients and claimed it cured a number of diseases.

As a result of this continued demand, an Essex County, N.J., doctor created the Medical Milk Commission in 1893 to certify clean raw milk from cows free to roam and eat a species-appropriate diet of grass. Comprised of 42 physicians, the Medical Milk Commission became a model for other cities and counties, and milk commissions popped up all over the country. The legacy of that movement is still realized today in the regulations that govern the licensing of raw milk for retail sale in California, Maine, Connecticut and New Mexico.

For a number of years, milk proceeded along parallel tracks. By 1936, half of the milk sold in the United States was pasteurized and half was raw. As the Second World War drew to a close, a campaign to educate Americans about raw milk's dangers took shape in national magazines, led by The Ladies' Home Journal. Many of the tales of death and disease attributed to raw dairy later proved fictional, but the clamor for mandatory pasteurization laws proceeded unabated. Michigan became the first state to outlaw raw milk in 1948. One by one, states began adopting the federal Standard Milk Ordinance (now called the Grade A Pasteurized Milk Ordinance, issued by the FDA).

But by then the idea that milk was inherently dangerous and that a guy named Pasteur saved humanity was well ensconced, and banning raw milk became scarcely necessary. Industrial dairy had been born. —Suzanne Nelson

71 COMMENTS

This is really dangerous. As an epidemiologist, I have investigated and reported several cases of disease associated with consumption of unpasteurized dairy products, including Listeriosis, salmonellosis, and E. coli O157:H7. Some of the advice given in this piece is inherently dangerous to follow. In particular, the idea that "knowing the source" of the milk would ensure its safety. I saw a case of E. coli O157:H7 in a 5 year old, whose kidneys failed and he developed HUS. He got his exposure from his grandfather's cows. In another incident, I investigated a fatality in a 4 year old, who died from salmonella infection. I could not in good conscience ever recommend to anyone the consumption of unpasteurized milk, cheese, or other dairy products. Sure, you may not get sick, but I have seen first hand what happens in families whose children died unnecessarily and prematurely. These processes were developed to save lives, not improve economic conditions for commercial dairies.
by apexdbs NC , Apex 21 Jun 2007, 11:22am Report this comment
How refreshing to see a well researched article on raw milk! I can't even begin to tell how clean raw milk has improved my health. Any lawmaker who would try and tell us what food we can or can't eat, or even worse, what we can feed our children should be remembered come election time. Andy
by Andy , Tennessee 21 Jun 2007, 11:43am Report this comment
To the Editor: In regard to Suzanne Nelson's story 'Drink it Raw': Pasteurized, homogenized milk is, to my taste buds, little more than white water. Having had fresh-from-the-cow-this-morning milk on my grandfather's farm... well, there is just no comparison. In particular, there are few things more refreshing that cold fresh buttermilk. The store-bought "cultured" "butter milk", on the other hand, is a nasty abomination which I find completely un-drinkable. I've never been able to reconcile the two. For over eighty years neither my grandfather nor grandmother nor aunts, uncles, and cousins have been sick from this raw milk. It _is_ a matter of knowing the source. Pasteurization does provide for getting milk(-like product) to folks who have no access to the fresh stuff -- via mass production, distribution, and marketing. But this is no reason to keep those with access to real milk from enjoying it! True: There is harmful bacteria in milk. There is harmful bacteria in _you_! There is harmful bacteria everywhere. But there is also beneficial bacteria. In the process of eliminating the harmful, the good is also destroyed. It would be very interesting to have an honest study into the good vs. the bad bacteria in raw dairy products. We may be losing more than we are gaining. In one regard, I know this is most definitely the case. Home-made, hand-churned butter can not be had from pasteurized, homogenized milk. It is the good bacteria in milk which, through clabbering, produces something indescribably wonderful: Real Butter. Nothing from a "super"-market (even ultra-premium brands) has ever held the dimmest candle to my grandma's butter. Alas, I fear these are tastes from the past. Must we give up personal satisfaction (read freedom) for some (un-proved and un-obtainalbe) safety? Sincerely, Mark Shuford
by its1110 NC 21 Jun 2007, 2:53pm Report this comment
There is only a grain of truth supporting many assertions in this article. The reality is that raw milk, even from cows that look healthy and are well cared for is risky business. Milk consumption was the leading cause of foodborne childhood morbidity and mortality in New York City in the early 1900s. After development and adoption of what became known as the Grade A Milk Ordinance and Code, (requiring pasteuriztion)the disease incidence from milk practically disappeared. Pasteurization is one of the great health advances of the age of microbiology; right up there with safe drinking water.
by Microbe Manager , Greenville 21 Jun 2007, 3:17pm Report this comment
I've had raw milk from a neighbor, it was great and I didn't get sick or die. That, however, is not a scientific study. But, I'm sure if enough research is done showing raw milk to be safe from factory cows, you'll see the laws overturned immediately. Pasteurization costs these corporations money and time. If they could eliminate it from the milk manufacturing process I'm sure they would inject themselves with rBGH in celebration.
by sloov , liberty 21 Jun 2007, 3:48pm Report this comment
I must say, in addition, that I don't think drinking rGBH and consuming factory cow hamburger is any less dangerous than drinking raw milk. My opinion yes, But it seems like we may never find out whether I'm correct, because most of the food research being funded seems to be only for the purposes of increasing the bottom line of agribusiness.
by sloov , liberty 21 Jun 2007, 3:56pm Report this comment
As a former resident of North Carolina, I am appalled that North Carolina is attempting to regulate the health of its citizens by banning a natural substance. I wrote about this weirdness in the following article: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/shore5.html As a Los Angeles resident, I can go easily into my local Whole Foods and by raw milk. It's pricey, yes, but worth it. And are people in California dying in droves from raw milk? I've yet to see one fatality. The blood test that I took a few weeks ago indicated that my vitamin and hormone levels are just fine. Should I risk this good health merely to move back to a state that tries so hard to regulate what I place into my body?
by trish, comic mom (trishcomicmom@earthlink.net) , California 22 Jun 2007, 12:50am Report this comment
"Drink it Raw" is a terrific article! The best I've read in years, and I've got a Google alert on raw milk articles, so they come in several times a week. Thank you for presenting all the issues fairly and succinctly. Our family has been drinking raw milk for about 5 years. My husband's gout is gone, and hay fever greatly reduced. Our 2 sons were diagnosed with asthma - no more asthma. We hardly ever have colds, and no flu for the past 4 years. They have been to the doctor once in the last 5 years; for a thumb x-ray (dumb bike trick). The CDC and the FDA are either incredibly dense, or their pockets are so heavy they can't see straight. The cat is out of the bag, and it's not going back in: RAW MILK ROCKS!!!
by Blair NC 22 Jun 2007, 1:26am Report this comment
Pasteurization is for safety. Sure, you have not gotten sick and your friends have not gotten sick. But, are you really willing to take the risk? All it takes is one time to ruin/end a life. The article presents the reasons for pasteurization as strictly to avoid intentional adulteration (as in the early 1900's) but the reason is for safety. Even the best practices can result in contaminated food. Everyone has their own opinion but before you believe all that this article states as fact, do some research. You can find a plethora of information in scientific journals by searching google scholar. Some you may not be able to access unless you can go through a university library. And before you say that all these studies are just an extension of corporate America and agribusiness, remember that these scientists are our brothers and sisters and they are interested in your safety and the safety of their family before any corporate interests.
by crosamich Raleigh 22 Jun 2007, 12:21pm Report this comment
The first comment by the epidemologist bothers me most. I drank pasturized milk for the first time in 1960 when I started school. I continued to drink raw at home until my college days. I did not have regular access again until I got my own cow in 2001. As soon as I got her broke to milk, we were drinking real milk again. I taught my sons to milk. My daughers and wife love it. My wife had chronic bowel problems and if she has our raw milk daily 90% of those problems disappear. I have about 20 to 32 ounces of raw milk every day. I am a big guy, very active and have no blood pressure or cholestorol (SP?) problems. I do raise my own beef, chicken, eggs and milk. My best raw story is about a neighbor girl, a classmate of my youngest son. She was 14, shinny, with dull hair and poor skin tone and a ton of allergies. I met her mom at a school function and suggested she try her daughter on a little raw milk and gave her a gallon. They were reluctant at first because the girl had been allergic to store milk. When she did not get sick from increasing amounts they soon had her drinking a couple of gallons a week. Within a year she went form 90 pounds to 125 (she is 5'7" so that is still pretty slim), she started having a period and her skin, hair and muscle tone improved dramaticly. Her stamina also took a huge jump. After two years on raw milk my cows all went dry and she resumed a nonraw diet with no problems. They do call and get a couple of gallons when I have it and she says she feels a lot better when she has raw. The peditrician had sent her to 3 specialests at great expense and no results. 'nuff said. Beef man
by Beef man NC , Moore County 22 Jun 2007, 12:36pm Report this comment
Beef Man I will be blogging about this set of issues on my blog for several sessions, and I posted a piece last night on pasteurization, if you want to read it. But I will share here the disclaimer I put on my site last night. I lived on my grandparent's farm until I was 9 years old, and I was raised on raw milk and homemade butter that I helped churn. When I talk about whether or not I could in good conscience recommend it to others, I am speaking from personal experience as a producer, consumer, and as a scientist. I made butter, I drank raw, and I didn't die. But I have seen too many preventable deaths as an epidemiologist, from exposures that did not have to happen, to ever do it again. I would never let my daughter drink raw, or make butter, even though that is part of the family tradition I came out of. If anyone wants to follow my postings on food safety, or argue with me there, feel free to visit the site at apexdbs.blogspot.com.
by apexdbs NC , Apex 22 Jun 2007, 2:37pm Report this comment
Thank goodness I found out the benefits of raw milk when I started having children 38 years ago. I went to a dairy in Chapel Hill, Raleigh, and Fuquay when I lived in each of those places and fed my 4 children raw milk as soon as they were weaned. They all were healthy with no cavities, or braces, or eye glasses and we never spent any money on medicine, literally. My 40 year old daughter said her doctor told her she was the healthiest patient she had. I would drink it now if I could find it. How can we get the laws in NC changed? I would love to do something to help.
by p8r8b8h (pharriss@mac.com) NC , angier 22 Jun 2007, 6:24pm Report this comment
The epidemiologists voice concern about unnecessary deaths from raw milk, but they neglect to relate that there are more food poisoning deaths related to other foods i.e. hamburger, chicken , etc than from raw milk. Hamburger and chicken and many other sources of food poisoning are still for sale. In the 1985 pasteurized milk debacle > than 150,000 people were infected from pasteurized with salmonella typhimurium milk, 2,777 of these people had the diagnosis confirmed by culture, and 14 people died. It was a debacle because it took months to find the source of the problem due to the multi state nature of the problem. There are many pasteurized milk contaminations and usually involve many people. More importantly osteoporosis and infertility are increasing in our population. The calcium from pasteurized milk is not absorbed well, and studies done in the 40's with pasteurized milk were predictive of the rise of osteoporosis from pasteurized milk. Those same animal studies indicated that the offspring of animals fed pasteurized milk were less fertile and had other health problems. The real public health problem with our current level of technology is not infections from raw milk, but the rising problem with osteoporosis that is occurring not only in post menopausal women but in men and there are indications it is starting to occur in young adults. The rising infertility creates another kind of problem that is equally traumatic as death. These are risks that most people are clueless that they are exposing themselves to when they drink pasteurized milk. I will take my chances with good raw milk.
by bailey NC , Greensbor0 22 Jun 2007, 11:07pm Report this comment
The real issue here is not whether raw milk is safe for you to drink. It is safe for me to drink. I don’t need to convince anyone to drink raw milk. I and my family will drink raw milk regardless of North Carolina’s law or the propaganda from the sycophants of the industrial dairy/pharmaceutical industry. I absolutely will not drink their lifeless product which makes you sick so slowly that you don’t notice. This is a practice that sustains our health system, but not our health. I’m not going to waste my breath debating the safety of raw milk with people who refuse to use common sense and logic to arrive at the truth, but here are a few facts: 1. Raw milk from properly raised animals is completely safe for human consumption. (period) 2. Raw milk from grass-fed animals has been consumed for many recent years by thousands of people in a dozen or so states where it is legal with no proven deaths or sickness. 3. There have been many deaths from other (legal) produce, including pasteurized milk and, of course most recently, spinach. More people died from spinach last year than have ever died from raw milk from properly raised animals. 4. Any food that is produced in unhealthy or unnatural conditions will eventually make you sick. The true cost of the foods we consume is often hidden in a health system that is sustained on products that make you sick slowly. The real issue here is freedom of choice. I think it was Malcolm X who said something like, “If you have to ask for freedom, you’re not really free”. Well, I think it is time that we bring raw milk out of the closet and the best way to do that is to buy raw milk from a local farmer that you know and trust. Then refuse to be intimidated into secrecy for making this healthy choice. The opponents of raw milk consumption rely on fear and intimidation to keep raw milk coops to a minimum, operating in dark allies and down country roads like drug dealers. The fact is that selling raw milk in North Carolina is a misdemeanor which only carries a small fine. Furthermore, once a fine has been issued it can be challenged and brought before a judge where a good lawyer and medical experts can bring the undeniable truth into the light for all to see. The citizens of a democratic society have a moral obligation to challenge and amend unjust or outdated laws. Non-violent civil disobedience has been the most effective means for this in recent history. This is the approach used successfully by Gandhi, Rosa Parks, and Martin Luther King among others. The most efficient way to legalize the choice for raw milk is through public, non-violent civil disobedience. Raw milk must be sold openly and publicly in states where it is against the law. Local news and other media should be contacted and present so that the event is documented and made public. Raw milk advocates at such an event need not try to convince anyone to drink raw milk, but only that they demand for themselves the right to choose what they believe to be a healthier product without fear of threats or intimidation by government agencies. This request should be difficult to deny any citizen living in a free democracy. The safety and health benefits of raw milk from grass-fed animals is no longer debatable and is scientifically verified daily in states where it is produced and consumed legally by thousands of healthy men, women, and children. Demand your freedom of choice.
by msenkpiel Chapel Hill 22 Jun 2007, 11:51pm Report this comment
I'd advise anyone who's concerned about this serious health issue to visit the web sites of the Centers for Desease Control (cdc.gov), The World Health Organization (who.int),Pubmed( for abstracts of actual papers at Pubmed.com), Webmd (webmd.com) or any other reliable site dedicated to science and medicine. Enter "Raw Milk" into the search engine and decide for yourself. These are the experts, friends. This is a science issue and if you aren't going to believe scientists on an issue of molecular biology or an infectious disease specialist on an issue pertaining to epidemiology, who are you going to believe? Do the people you're taking health advice from for you and your KIDS really know what they're talking about? Or are they just telling stories and selling an ideology? Decide for yourself, But do the reasearch.
by Rama Durham 23 Jun 2007, 1:37am Report this comment
I am not from NC, but here in MI we are fighting to protect our right to cow-shares too. It is less about safety (many legal things are much less safe than milk) but about freedom to choose what we consume. Informed consumers are those seeking out a cow-share, that should not be illegal. Many make an informed choice to smoke and the government currently recongnizes that there is a danger in smoking and therefore as long as you are informed and choose to smoke, it is ok. Why is it not ok to be informed and choose to consume real milk? I researched real milk for my family and decided since I know my source, it is a healthy choice for us. We have experienced significant health benefits from it!! Much less and less severe illnesses, less doctor visits (much less!!) and my asthma symptoms have disappeared over the last 4 years. My kids are no longer on acid reflux medications and are doing wonderful!! My kids who cannot tolerate any dairy can tolerate Kefir made with real milk and my daughter who gets sick on conventional store milk can drink glasses of real milk without any trouble (in fact she will tell you she feels better with it!!). I don't need the FDA and other industry/government organizations to tell me that what I have experienced is not scientific, it doesn't matter, it works for me and I want the choice to continue. I wish NC good luck with the fight!! I strongly urge anyone wanting to know how to get involved in saving real milk to check out The Weston A. Price Foundation.
by Lrimerman (Lrimerman@comcast.net) , Michigan 23 Jun 2007, 8:35am Report this comment
Ok, I said that I wasn't going to waste my breath debating, but Rama seems like someone that would be able to study the real issue. Let's take just one example from Rama,s links, www.cdc.gov. Here is an article from that site: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5608a3.htm?s_cid=mm5608a3_e. This article describes what appears to be an e-coli contamination at a farm that is described as dirty and unkempt. It says 18 people got sick, none died. (Hmm, people getting sick from unclean conditions? How odd.) Look, no one is professing that it is impossible to get sick from raw milk, or ANY FOOD that is contaminated. No one is unsympathetic to the suffering of people who get sick. Scare tactics are unnecessary and only attempt to obscure the truth. Let's use calm reason instead. Here's the thing: In the Editorial notes, it says that 73,000 illnesses and 61 deaths occur annually from this bacteria. Rama, please research the origin of the other 72,982 illnesses and the 61 deaths and determine a logical reason why these foods are not illegal. I suspect that most of the other 99.98% is from industrialized processed foods. I don't have time right now to check all the links (I will try to make time periodically), but again, the real issue here is freedom of choice. I'm not asking, I demand the freedom to legally choose raw milk for myself and my family.
by msenkpiel Chapel Hill 23 Jun 2007, 9:05am Report this comment
Fantastic article! My family has been drinking raw milk for years and there's nothing like it...for taste, health. And fortunately, I think this article, through its reliable information and sources for that information, has proven that this whole milk "scare" is one more concocted thing. I mean, even the few people who wrote in trying to say something to the contrary give no reasons to support their stance. They'll make a statement, but then have no idea how to articulate just what specifically proves this statement. So this makes it even more obvious, especially to those undecided, that perhaps it would be smarter to listen to the folks who can "back up what they say." All I know is I'll never drink the "dead" stuff again! And if any of you reading have ANY type of illness or sickness at all, I invite you to join me. That's just such rubbish that we'd all get sicker. The planet would never have been healthier.
by pmw NC , Greensboro 23 Jun 2007, 10:12am Report this comment
For me, the benefits of raw milk far outweigh the risks, as do many things in my life. I drive a car, to my great risk, every day. I, too, with my children, have visited the doctor far less since starting to consume real milk. I have no problem with people who try to sway me with their facts. Still it should be up to me to decide what I do with those "facts." I should have the freedom to decide. I should have the freedom to have a private contract with a farmer. I used to have that freedom.
by Liza in NC NC 23 Jun 2007, 1:14pm Report this comment
Hi, I came back to copy this article so I could post on chat board, and couldn't help diving in... If you want science, here's a few more places to research: http://www.realmilk.com/tworawmilks.html This explains the discrepancy between the pro and con arguments about raw milk. They're both right, but they're each talking about different raw milks. There is clean raw milk, and dirty raw milk. Know your source! Here's a good website for scientific refs: http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/scientific_refs.html "The Untold Story of Milk (Green Pastures, Contented Cows and Raw Dairy Foods)", by Ron Scmid, ND. This balanced, well-researched book discusses the history of milk from biblical times to present day, why the 'distillery dairies' made 1000's of people very sick (or killed people) in the early 1900's, how public perception was molded, then transformed into government policy, and why raw milk is demonized in spite of the fact that other raw foods (think raw meat, eggs, sushi, spinach) cause more illness. His website has a short explanation here: http://www.drrons.com/raw-milk-veritas.htm Raw milk got my attention when I was trying to cure a chronic ear infection - in my dog! I spent a few years (and $$$$$) trying the vet's science, then I got on the internet and found a product called ZYMOX. Worked like a charm. What's in this stuff? Three enzymes - Lactoperoxidase, lactoferrin, and lysozyme - all of which are found in raw milk. From http://animalpetdoctor.homestead.com/Zymox.html : "Lactoperoxidase A known milk peroxidase which when combined together with hydrogen peroxide, thiocyanate and/or iodide produce a potent antibacterial system known as the Lactoperoxidase System. The hypohalous ions produced are either the hypothiocyanate ion or the hypoiodite ion. Both are bactericidal substances. Hypoiodite is also a known fungicidal agent. The antibacterial property of the Lactoperoxidase System is based upon inhabitation of vital bacterial metabolic enzymes brought on by their oxidation by hypothiocyanate or hypoiodite. Lysozyme An enzyme present in milk and egg whites. Lysozyme kills bacteria by disrupting the formation of a glycosidic bond between the two components of peptidoglycan, a constituent of the bacterial cell wall. Lysozyme is effective against a number of bacteria including Escherichia coli and Salmonellae. Lactoferrin An iron binding protein. It is found naturally in cow and human milk, tears, saliva, seminal fluid and in some white blood cells. Lactoferrin is only partially saturated with iron (5 to 30 percent) so it has a high affinity towards iron. Lactoferrin is bacteristatic against a wide range of microorganisms including gram-negative (coliforms) and gram-positive (staphylcoccus) bacteria. Lactoferrin has the potential to inhibit the growth of bacteria and kill them by depriving them of iron, which is vital for bacterial growth. Hey, this stuff works." Interesting that these components of raw milk are legal (found in many more products as well), but raw milk is not. You can google these and other enzymes found in raw milk and find loads of scientific data - not to mention patented products, but I prefer Mother Nature's version, raised by a small farmer that understands careful handling and good animal husbandry. www.organicpastures.com - Mark McAffee, raw diary farmer and pioneer, has intentionally injected raw milk from his cows with human pathogens: "The three human pathogens that are tested (state mandated) at OPDC include Listeria Monocytogenes, Salmonella, and Ecoli 0157. To date, not one of these pathogens have ever been detected by any test at OPDC or conducted by any state or federal agency. Tests privately performed at OPDC (BSK labs) showed that even when these pathogens were added to OPDC raw milk at extremely high levels (7 logs) they would not grow and die off (test results available upon request)". http://www.organicpastures.com/faq.html Read Dr. Porter's book "Milk Diet as a Remedy for Chronic Disease". But don't go rushing out to get raw milk until you understand the small print about HEALTHY, CLEAN raw milk from grassfed cows on farms where the farmer knows their name - and understands the soil they graze on. Milk from large confinement dairies contains blood, pus and manure, and MUST be pasteurized. Forgive me for this indelicate slam on large dairy milk, but that is the raw milk that the FDA is going on about. And they are absolutely right! -Blair
by Blair NC 23 Jun 2007, 2:58pm Report this comment
Hi All, I wanted to let evryone know that I have taken apexDBS up on his offer from above to continue this discussion on his website (Thought From Apex). This is a very generous offer to look at this issue with calm and reason and I encourage all interested to follow the dialog - or join in.
by msenkpiel Chapel Hill 24 Jun 2007, 10:40am Report this comment
Sorry, the link for the discussion is http://apexdbs.blogspot.com/2007/06/assault-on-science.html
by msenkpiel Chapel Hill 24 Jun 2007, 10:43am Report this comment
The individual that referenced deaths attributed to raw milk in NY failed to mention that cows in the late 1800"s were fed on garbage. The cows were milked in a mixture of manure and mud, dust, dirt, filth and disease-germs were as much the total product that people drank as was the milk itself. (as reported by the then commissioner of the NY state health department, Dr. Herman E. Hillaboe) Nutritional benefits are only realized when milk is drank fresh from the cow, produced by nature, in a completely clean environment. The motivation for pasteurization was anything but altruistic! Unscrupulous dairymen knew that if they heated the milk it would not sour (still harmless but undesirable) Heat treatment enabled them to avoid expensive sanitary procedures and to deliver the milk to unsuspecting consumers, apparently fresh. Pasteurization destroys most of the enzymes and alters the proteins and fat because of the heat. (denaturation) People knowledgeable in dairy science at the turn of the century were opposed to heat treatment of milk. They realized that this process altered one of nature's almost perfect foods to a processed, UNNATURAL food. For example, Cholera infantum was a dreaded disease of children in the early 20th century. It was found to be caused by milk contaminated by an excessive amount of "ordinary dirt bacteria." It was cuase by just plain dirty milk (Dr. Park, NY City Health dept.) Instead of requiring the dairies to clean up their act they resorted to heat treatment of milk. The disease was eradicated but at a terrible price. As a result, a steady increase in crib death, infantile allergies, colitis, heart disease, to name a few. Yes heat treatment did save the lives of children at that time but would cause degenerative diseases later in life. History also reveals that the incidence of tuberculosis and brucellosis were not affected by the parboiling of milk. Pasturization diminishs the nutrient value of milk; it diminishs vitamin content; it destroys vitamin C; calcium and other minerals are percipitated and made unavailable; milk enzymes are destroyed; children and infants thrive better on raw milk; it is more likely to be constipating; it destroys the creaming ability of milk; it destroys the souring bacteria thus causing putrefication; it cause milk to decompose when exposed to air; it diminishs resistance to disease; the death rate from tuberculosis remained uniformly lower in rural ares where raw milk was consumed than in cities where all milk was pasteurized; pasteurized milk interferes with the proper development of teeth and predisposes to dental caries (soln: use the toxin flouride to prevent cavities) There is a growing realization among consumers that processed foods, including pateurized milk, is a health hazard. In 1945 there were 450 cases of infectious disease caused by raw milk (dirty milk) and 1492 cases caused by pasteurized milk (dirty milk). Keep in mind the statistics don't lie but statisticians do!! Do people get sick from pasteurized milk today? Absolutely!! But they will blame the disease on anything but pasteurized milk! The toxin from bacteria largely responsible for diarrhea, the enterotoxin, is largely unaffected by pasteurization. And if affected, pasteurized milk will give no hint to the contamination. Not so with raw fresh milk. I need to close this out. I could go on and on. Let me quote Professor Fosgate of the Dairy Science Department of the University of Georgia..."Pasteurization has been preached as a one hundred percent safeguard for milk. This is simply not true! If milk gets contaminated today, the chances are that it will be after pasteurization. Pasteurized milk and raw milk are equally susceptible to contamination by pathogenic bacteria..." I believe Fosgate is probaly too conservative because raw milk contains enzymes and ANTIBODIES, destroyed by pasteurization, that make it less susceptible to bacterial contamination. Dairy cows have been pictured as a veritable "Typhoid Mary" for all of the ills of man, including the common cold, when actually the reverse is TRUE!! The therapeutic effectiveness of raw milk is undeniable. And with yogurt or kefir (a quality probiotic will do) you can multiply that effectiveness. Fermented milk therapy is very big in Russia! (over 50 sanitaria)
by Dr Richard NC , Charlotte 24 Jun 2007, 11:58am Report this comment
Big government looking out for the masses. I don't buy it. We have our own milk cow and she produces more than we can drink. It is a waste to pour it out but we have to. If I could legally sell it I would. I feel better drinking raw milk and recommend it to anyone who is suffering from poor health.
by rickydink NC 24 Jun 2007, 4:06pm Report this comment
My husband and I are regular consumers of raw milk (obtained legally through a cow share in Virginia). The right to select the food that we choose to eat to protect our physical health is a Fundamental part of our civic and social well-being. What ever happened to the spirit of American democracy? I have no doubt that Thomas Jefferson would be appalled to discover people are barred from drinking milk from their own cows. Anyone who believes this issue is primarily about health, and not about running small dairy farmers out of business (or at least into the arms of the large dairy processors), is profoundly ill-informed. As for the epidemiologist who worries about raw milk causing disease, I'd suggest that he spend more energy studying the epidemiological evidence surrounding the damage done by all the processed foods (and additives) that are legal. That evidence is a lot stronger and should be a lot more of a concern to all of us in the field of public health. My deepest gratitude to Sen. Hagen, Ms. Foster, and all the farmers who are performing a great service to the individual health of families who have the good fortune to be able to drink raw milk from healthy grass-fed cows.
by sknorton , VA 24 Jun 2007, 5:12pm Report this comment
A current NC Senate Bill 948 has passed the Senate and is going to be read in the NC House Agriculture Committee mtg. this Wednesday at 12:00 noon. Here's a link to the bill: http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2007&BillID=s948 This bill would allow individuals to purchase a share in a small farm's cow or goat in order to get milk. (Legal in 38 of 50 states) If you are interested in showing your support for the bill, please show up at the NC Legislature bldg in Raleigh. Here are the details: What: NC Bill S948 (Small Dairy Sustainability) read in Agriculture Committee mtg. When: Wednesday, June 27 @ 12:00 noon Where: Raleigh, NC Legislature Bldg (LB) Rm 1228 16 West Jones St, Raleigh, NC 27601-2808 Directions: http://ncleg.net/help/directions.html For those interested in lobbying before the meeting, a group will gather at Senator Kay Hagan’s office in The Legislative Office Building, 300 N. Salisbury Street, Room 411, at 9 am on Wednesday, June 27th. Her office phone is (919)733-5856
by Genesis Cary 24 Jun 2007, 5:28pm Report this comment
I loved the article. It's about time someone told the truth about the benefits of raw milk. Coming from another state that banned the sale of raw milk, other than pet consumption. I sold goat milk daily and still receive phone calls wanting the milk. My advice? if you can't find a cow farmer to get your milk, get it from a dairy goat farm. Personally, I'm sick of the government telling me what is and is not good for me after my tax dollars were wasted on the studies that are biased.
by summerelic NC , Charlotte 25 Jun 2007, 8:27am Report this comment
This issue is deeply politicized and most opposition to allowing consumers to make their own choices about the food that they want to ingest are usually paid to do so, within the government regulatory bodies. These individuals have been spoonfed misinformation over the years and rely on corporately funded research dollars and stand to effectively lose power and influence of their position if consumers retain that power to make this choice. The information is outdated and current laws need to reflect the new info available.
by susone Chapel Hill 25 Jun 2007, 12:11pm Report this comment
I've been using RAW goat's milk for over 20 years. I prefer it to ANY pasteurized product in the stores. I "know" what my goats are eating...and the fact that they don't get vaccines or chemicals. I keep them healthy with homeopathy and GOOD food, natural worming and natural mineral choices.
by Country Gal , Colorado 25 Jun 2007, 9:33pm Report this comment
I have been following an epidemiologist’s blog against our freedom to choose raw milk. I thought that I should include the dialog here. I am including only the parts which concern raw milk, but the complete article may be read at: http://apexdbs.blogspot.com/2007/06/foundational-science-of-public-health.html apexDBA said: “The thing that triggered my alarm in the article promoting raw milk consumption as a positive health benefit is that in no way was it scientifically examined. The entire article quoted people's opinions and anecdotal descriptions. There was nothing rigorous in the thought process, although there were plenty of accusations, assumptions, and claims being thrown around as if they were facts. Next time I will attempt to describe the difference between believing something is so, and proving it.” msenkpiel’s response: Hi apexDBS, I will only address the point concerning raw milk here. I am alarmed that someone should be alarmed that lay people should somehow be disallowed to state their opinions about the efficacy of a product on their own body. No one stated that JAMA should publish an article about their opinion. They simply stated that they felt better after using the product much as one might feel better after a work-out at the gym. I don’t think we need science to validate that. The accusations are a separate issue from the opinions. They concern the fact that my freedom of choice is being denied on the grounds of public health with absolutely no scientific proof that raw milk from properly raised animals is dangerous. Thank you, msenkpiel
by msenkpiel Chapel Hill 25 Jun 2007, 10:58pm Report this comment
Another post from apexDBS: http://apexdbs.blogspot.com/2007/06/burden-of-proof.html “What I am saying here is that I do not believe the accusation by proponents of raw milk that epidemiologists implicating raw milk in particular outbreaks did so recklessly, or that they ignored other explanations. We face a high burden of proof, and there are many internal and external checks and balances in the system. Similarly, proponents of raw milk are asserting that it has many health benefits over pasteurized milk. I think there is a high burden of proof they should meet before making those claims as a justification for relaxing the laws and regulations to open greater access to raw milk. To get there, we would need to agree on exactly what is the specific health benefit, and then we would need to design a study or studies to meet the burden of proof. At a minimum, proponents of raw milk would need to put forward a health benefit that all people would get from the product; it would need to be measurable; it would need to be reproducible; and benefit would have to be shown not to be caused by something else. Right now proponents of raw milk are asserting benefits that are vague or not measurable, are subjective, and diverse. They also seem to be challenging those of us who do this type of research to disprove their health claims or to verify them. But when someone is advancing a new claim or idea, it is on the claiming party to fund the studies, produce the research, publish the findings, and face peer review. That is how science is done.” And msenkpiel’s response: Hi apexDBS, Again, I am only addressing the issues concerning raw milk here. I apologize for not being very interested in epidemiology. It definitely seems like you know and enjoy your field of expertise. As I said in an earlier post, it is unfortunate that some of us (defenders of the freedom to choose raw milk) have become cynical of “agencies” and “professionals” that have been inaugurated to guard our health. This suspicion was not born of thin air – it is an experiential fact that will materialize any time that you follow the “illness or death from raw milk” myths. What more could we think of these people when most – if not all – of these claims turn out to be caused by something other than raw milk from grass-fed animals? That’s kind of like blaming the jury for the guy with 3 DUI’s losing his license. Regarding the last paragraph of your post, I have to say that I am flabbergasted that someone of your obvious intelligence could get something so backward. We don’t have to prove our belief that a food product is healthy to use it. You have to prove that it is deadly to stop us from using it. Are you seriously saying that you believe drinking raw milk is “a new claim or idea”? Of course you don’t because you drank it when you were a child. The new idea was born in the early 20th century when the industrialists discovered that if they fed the cows garbage instead of grass and confined them to a cement slab instead of a meadow that they could make way more money. That’s when pasteurization became mandatory as the industrialists were not about to give up their profits just because a bunch of kids were dying. Thanks for listening, msenkpiel
by msenkpiel Chapel Hill 25 Jun 2007, 11:02pm Report this comment
From my most recent post on this issue. Sorry this is so long, but I want to put my perspective in context. The public health services of the United States were extremely limited for the first 150 years or so of our country's history. There wasn't even a list of nationally reportable diseases until Congress passed the first disease reporting law in 1878, which made Yellow Fever reportable. In subsequent years more diseases were made reportable, notably malaria, cholera, tuberculosis, polio, smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, pertussis, and others. But many of the diseases we track today were not reportable until after the CDC was officially created in 1948, growing out of the Malaria Control Office Congress had previously established in Atlanta, Georgia. What you may notice is that the list of diseases that were first made reportable are largely diseases that are under control today. But it was not always so. From the National Center for Health Statistics, we have records documenting life expectancy at birth dating back to 1850. In 1850, the average U.S. life expectancy at birth was only 39 years. By 1890, the average life expectancy at birth had risen to 43 years. In 1911, that number was still between 43-44 years. But today life expectancy at birth in the U.S. is 78 years. How did we add more than 30 years to average life expectancy at birth in less than 100 years time? In 1900, the three leading causes of death in the United States were pneumonia & influenza (they were combined for reporting purposes back then), tuberculosis, and diarrhea. Today, our top three causes of mortality are heart disease, stroke and lung cancer. Researchers attribute 5 years of the added life expectancy since 1911 to advances in medicine. The remaining 25+ years of additional life expectancy that have been achieved are attributed to key public health interventions in three areas. The majority of life expectancy added since 1911 in the U.S. is attributed to measures designed to prevent diarrheal diseases, particularly cholera and foodborne diseases; vaccination for childhood viral illnesses; and additives mandated to the U.S. food and water supply, notably fluoride in water, niacin in flour, and iodine to salt. Among the antidiarrheal interventions, the most important developments were sewage treatment plants, chlorination and chloramination of drinking water, and pasteurization of dairy products. These measures taken together were responsible for adding 25+ years to the average U.S. life expectancy at birth. This was accomplished by keeping children alive past age 5 years old, largely by preventing severe dehydration from diarrhea, and then to adulthood through vaccination. The key to the most effective public health interventions devised to date is that they are designed to operate universally. The interventions are designed to affect everyone, and in so doing, improve the health of the entire population. And these interventions have proven wildly successful. The reason public health professionals worry about letting people opt out of the interventions is we risk returning to higher rates of disease in the very young, with increased mortality that we have learned how to prevent. None of us want to see the life expectancy gains we have worked so hard to achieve eroded.
by apexdbs NC , Apex 25 Jun 2007, 11:30pm Report this comment
In post http://apexdbs.blogspot.com/2007/06/did-you-ever-wonder-why-u.html apexDBS said: "In today's Independent, in the comments section many of you have read, I was amused to learn that we epidemiologists are being bought and paid for by agribusiness corporations, and we're only pawns in the game of denying people their freedoms and oppressing small farm producers. If that's true, I wonder why I get so much hate mail from oystermen, cattlemen, poultry producers, restaurant owners, and food distributors. And I wonder where my cash is stashed. The truth is, we make the policy recommendations we do to to keep people alive longer. It is the purpose of my profession. It has been our purpose for over 100 years. We may not have won many friends along the way, but we have been very successful in the past at correctly identifying interventions that work. If we weren't doing that, the 30 years of life expectancy that were added wouldn't be there. The numbers just don't lie." msenkpiel's response: I’m confident that some epidemiologists are honest and some not – just as with any profession or group of people. You seem to be genuinely interested in the welfare of the public. None of the statements in this article however, justify raw milk from properly raised animals being illegal. Science, in spite of the resistance of backward thinking states, proves daily the safety of raw milk in the states where it is legal. Organic Pastures Dairy (http://www.organicpastures.com) has been producing raw milk for hundreds of customers for over seven years with absolutely NO sickness or death. Every batch of milk is tested to exceed California Department of Food and Agriculture raw milk standards for market Grade A milk. This is just one of the many examples of legal raw milk farms in this country, not to mention the hundreds of “illegal” one’s – or the thousands of years that humanity survived on raw milk with no epidemiologists. If one truly cares about the health of the public, one would open one’s mind to the possibility that this product, when produced responsibly, is safe and healthy. Thanks, msenkpiel
by msenkpiel Chapel Hill 25 Jun 2007, 11:39pm Report this comment
My 7 year old son drank Organic Pastures raw milk last summer, contracted e-coli, then HUS and almost died. Another girl, age 10, drank the same milk in the same timeframe, contracted e-coli and also HUS. We live in two different counties in California. We met at Loma Linda University Children's Hospital while they were saving our children's lives. Our kids were the reason Organic Pastures farm was closed down. Two other children in other counties also became ill. 3 of the 4 children had the same e-coli blueprint. In late October (2 months after our chilren became ill) hundreds of OP cows were checked for e-coli 0157:H7. What people don't know is that e-coli 0157:H7 was found in on of the milking cows, but it was not the same blueprint as what was found in the children. So it is not exactly true that no one have ever become ill from OP raw milk.
by Mary McGonigle-Martin , California 26 Jun 2007, 7:04pm Report this comment
Hi Mary, I just read your memoir about your son’s illness at http://www.thecompletepatient.com/journal/2007/4/1/memoir-of-a-raw-milk-illness-turned-medical-nightmare-part-1.html. I hope you don’t mind me posting the link, but I feel that everyone supporting raw milk should be completely informed about their choice. Thank you for sharing your experience. It was completely sobering and I think the only thing that got me through it was that I had already read on apexDBS’s blog that your son was now doing “fantastic”. I’m so sorry that you all had to go through that. I’m inspired by your courage and honor in relating your story – and dealing with all the questions and suppositions from the readers’ comments that resulted. There is a lot of controversy over this issue and I would never presume to debate with you the true nature of your son’s poisoning, but I feel that I must humbly amend my earlier statement that Organic Pastures “has been producing raw milk for hundreds of customers for over seven years with absolutely NO sickness or death” to OP “has been producing raw milk for hundreds of customers for over seven years with only one incident of illnesses.” Some folks may or may not agree with my amendment (as I said there is quite a bit of controversy over this incident) and I absolutely do not mean to trivialize the nightmare that you all went through, but for me the proof of the source of contamination lies the description of your intuition that the milk was bad. Not very scientific, but I’m no scientist. The point of my amendment is that my position still stands. What went on with the processing of the incident is exactly what should be allowed to happen here (not considering the ineptitude of the health system and government agencies) . You were allowed the freedom to choose a product that has been proven safe. When suspicion arose as to the product’s safety, the manufacturer was shut down, an investigation ensued and when the product was deemed safe, it was allowed to once again serve the public. This is what happened with the spinach and this is what happened with the raw milk. This is a process that is allowed in North Carolina to spinach (and well, every other food in the state) but not to raw milk. The CDC reports that 73,000 illnesses occur annually from E. coli. If we allow that the 5 children were poisoned from raw milk raised from grass-fed animals, the other 72,995 must be from products other than responsibly produced raw milk. The safety record for raw milk from properly raised animals does not seem to warrant the extreme measure of deeming it illegal. I applaud all that you are doing to help people from going through what you have, but I don’t believe that restricting one’s freedom is an assurance of health. I believe the best way to avoid illness is through healthy food and when a contamination of a healthy food is suspected, a process is in place to minimize illness. Warm Regards, msenkpiel
by msenkpiel Chapel Hill 26 Jun 2007, 11:58pm Report this comment
Despite our horrible experience, I feel Mark McAfee runs an amazing dairy. Maybe selling raw milk on such a large scale is not a good idea. I support your right to drink raw milk....there has to be a middle ground on this subject. I think California has a it right. They allow raw milk, but it is regulated. However, OP's tested milk gave me a false sense of saftey. Raw milk can never be 100% safe. Good luck on your mission in NC.
by Mary McGonigle-Martin , California 27 Jun 2007, 1:20am Report this comment
Anyone interested in reading the account of our entire story can read it on David Gumpert's website www.thecompletepatient.com Scroll down on the left and when you reach SEARCH type in Memoir of a Raw Milk Illness Turned Medical Nightmare Part 1. Part 1 and Part 2 of our son's story can be read. E-coli contamination in our food supply is serious business. E-coli contamination from raw milk is rare, but not so for our leafy vegetables (especially prepackaged) and our beef supply. Unfortunately, these outbreaks will contunue to occur. I’ve given so much thought to how and why Chris became ill last summer. He became ill from “something” that was contaminated with “unidentified” bacteria that almost killed him. I’ve come to my own conclusion that the “something” was probably raw milk and the unidentified bacteria were most likely e-coli. Chris is adopted and therefore had to drink formula for the first year of his life. He missed out on all the good nutrition breast milk has to offer; especially omega 3’s and natural probiotics. Chris never had his system inundated with good bacteria. Even though he’s only had one round of antibiotics in his life, this was not good for his already depleted system. Chris also inherited his birth father’s ADD without hyperactivity. Even though Chris has always had a healthy diet (organic foods, no processed sugar, etc…), he’s a picky eater (part of the ADD) and a carb freak (part of the ADD). It’s only been in the last few years that we are able to get him to eat some foods with high protein. What happens when you give raw milk to a child for the first time in the summer months when e-coli contamination is at it’s peak (cows shed e-coli in the spring and summer months) whose intestinal track is deplete in healthy bacteria (good bacteria helps to fight off bad bacteria) and whose diet is high in carbohydrates (e-coli multiplies on grains)? This is the formula for one very sick child! If I had only known this equation before I decided to give him raw milk to drink. I’m not blaming myself. I was just completely ignorant. Pro raw milk articles don’t mention how important it is to have a healthy immune system before drinking raw milk (just in case it is contaminated with bad bacteria). In fact, many people begin drinking raw milk because they are suffering from some health challenge. I would like to see a campaign promoting the “to do’s “ before drinking raw milk. It is a fact that people can become ill from contaminated raw milk. The numbers are not large enough to warrant never drinking raw milk, but contamination is something that can happen. People choosing to drink raw milk need to be informed of how important it is to have a healthy digestive track and immune system before consuming this food. Maybe first time raw milk drinkers need to take probiotics for a period of time before they begin drinking raw milk. This would help inundate a person’s digestive track with good bacteria. Also first time raw milk drinkers should start drinking raw milk in the winter time when bacteria counts are at their lowest because of cold weather. If you’re going to choose to drink raw milk, just some ideas to think about.
by Mary McGonigle-Martin , California 27 Jun 2007, 2:03am Report this comment
One thing to note, milk is not the only illegal raw food or at least won't be after Aug 1. California now requires pasturization of all almonds (the only place almonds grow in our country): http://www.localharvest.org/newsletter/20070619/almonds.jsp?r=nl. As far as the safety of milk. This is a problem of feeding the mAsses. Put such requirement on food sold at the grocery store but let me make the choice to get whatever food I want and is healthiest for my family. It is rediculous to think milk needs pasturized for my safety. I still see fast food joints all over selling ground beef, a major source of e coli outbreaks, e.g. http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/fs/food-disease/news/jun1107ecoli.html. Or what about tomatoes, maybe we should out law them, they caused an outbreak of salmonella just last year: http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2006/NEW01504.html. Eat fresh. Eat local. Know your farmer. Thats the best way to stay healthy.
by maamaak , Virginia 27 Jun 2007, 1:44pm Report this comment
I've drank raw cows milk; I had dairy goats and drank raw goat milk for years. ALL persons should be able to choose the foods they want to eat & drink and each person must be responsible for seeing that this milk, or other food, is not contaminated while processing. Raw is healthy!!
by Tranquility NC 27 Jun 2007, 10:50pm Report this comment
Ben Franklin said: Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. I do not choose to allow the government to dictate to me what I can eat. THe best health advice I ever recieved was to eat as wide a range of foods, all in moderation and all in as close to their god-given form as possible. Calves fed a diet of totally pasturized milk die. ALl of them. Tells you something - now doesn't it??
by Karen , Wisconsin 28 Jun 2007, 5:08pm Report this comment
epidemiologists and other medically challenged individuals take note: 1) Many raw animal products are sold throughout all of the U.S. that can be the cause of a multipicity of diseases including eggs, beef, pork, seafood, chicken. These products can and are consumed raw and can be found in many recipes as such. Why so much concern about milk? It is hypocrisy to isolate raw milk. 2) It is necessary to look into the history of pastuerization and the reasons for it. The article touched briefly on this, but comments made about this article reaveal much ignorance about the reasons for it. 3) Pastuerization renders milk a dead product with no health benefits. The human intestines thrive on healthy bacteria and when enough is not present it leaves the body susceptible to takeover by harmful bacteria. 4) The bottom line: The responsibility of food consumption lies with the consumer and not medically challenged individuals who have extremely limited understanding about raw animal products and who don't have any experience with them.
by brett (brettzwo@juno.com) , Ohio 29 Jun 2007, 8:38am Report this comment
In my blog comments I clarified that I do not favor the consumption of any raw animal proteins. so in my comments at least, I have been consistent on that point. Many raw animal proteins are sold, but I would not consume any of them raw. For my part, I don't eat raw seafood, I thoroughly cook all meats, I use pasteurized eggs or fully cook them. There are many educational campaigns out there warning of the risks of consuming raw animal proteins of all kinds.
by apexdbs NC , Apex 29 Jun 2007, 9:23am Report this comment
Raw-or-pasteurized - whatever. Cow's milk is for calves. There is nothing 'natural' about drinking the 'Mother's Milk' from another species - YUCK!. The thought is repulsive. I know that I was fed it when I was young, however, as soon as I was old enough to understand where it came from, I ceased drinking it (and consuming all animal products, as well). The only milk one should drink should be from one's own Mother. There are PLENTY of vitamins and minerals in fruits and vegetables. Visit www.milksucks.com for more info and, no, I'm not a hippy.
by futurehead Chapel Hill 29 Jun 2007, 12:08pm Report this comment
I love the article's magical thinking. It's cute. The 40 people I interviewed for this post agree with that statement. So: *The author says that Pasteur was a jerk because the Internet allows people to read what some dead and buried white man and pseudoscientific critic had to say 100 years ago. *It's unscientific, according to the article, to try to figure out who got sick by drinking milk by asking people who drank milk. *And, my personal favorite, all that 'Jungle' stuff, according to the article -- all the bad stuff dishonest people put into food -- happened a long time ago. Everything's just peachy today with food, says the author. Apparently their pets are still alive and they're not brushing their teeth with ethylene glycol. *And, according to the article, it's somehow appropriate for a 21st century progressive to sound like some 1980s Reaganite reactionary (or Pepperidge Farm commercial) and "hark back to a simpler time" when milk came straight from the cow, and women and blacks couldn't vote. *And, it's OK to write an article blasting pastuerization, without EVEN ONCE EXPLAINING THE PROCESS. *And, it's OK, without a hint of concern nor shred of proof, to suggest that RAW MILK SOMEHOW CURES ASTHMA. *AND, the article says it's OK to be a self-righteous, overly emotional, anti-scientific jerk by completely failing to mention why people can today seem to drink raw milk with no ill effects. It's not because of the magical, wonderous properties of the sacred milk-cow udder. The answer, as you see from the top of the article, is REFRIGERATION. Pasteur didn't have it, so as the genius he was, he invented pastuerization. The author got their fresh, raw milk in a drinkable state because it was kept IN A REFRIGERATOR. Raw milk isn't magical stuff. It's beautiful. Like the human mind, and its ability to prevent disease by inventing processes such as pasteurization.
by Ego Nemo NC 29 Jun 2007, 2:15pm Report this comment
Finally found raw milk in SC. This guy raised 5 girls on RAW milk with no sickness from the milk. Now my family drinks it and 3 are under age of 7. I can't drink pasteurized milk anymore after drinking it RAW. My husband drinks it more than he drank the other. RAW milk doesn't cause the throat mucus after drinking it. Yea, make it legal to buy alcohol and tobacco. I have so many family members that died from tobacco use and several from alcohol abuse. Don't drink RAW milk cuz it might make you sick? Hey you, why didn't you tell my mom that smoking can cause emphysema and death or her husband from throat cancer and death??? Both died! Aunts and uncles died from lung cancer that smoked. Two deaths from alcohol abuse. I can assure you, none drank RAW milk. Maybe they couldn't get alcohol or tobacco to stick on the top lip. My family and I will continue drinking RAW milk and tell others where to buy it.
by wegotmilk Cary 29 Jun 2007, 3:28pm Report this comment
It is great to know that Mary McGonigle-Martin’s son, Chris, has recovered and is “doing fantastic” after his unfortunate food poisoning. It is difficult to image how traumatic an experience that would be for any child or parent. What is disturbing is Ms. McGonigle-Martin’s accusation that her son’s illness was caused by raw milk from Organic Pastures Dairy. Truth is that Chris was sickened NOT by E.coli 0157:H7 but from Shigella bacteria. Does she reveal that? NO! Note her statement, “I’ve given so much thought to how and why Chris became ill last summer. He became ill from “something” that was contaminated with “unidentified” bacteria that almost killed him. I’ve come to my OWN CONCLUSION that the “something” was PROBABLY raw milk and the unidentified bacteria were MOST LIKELY e-coli.” Her own conclusion? Probably raw milk – most likely e.coli? Sounds a little libelous! Organic Pastures Dairy was found innocent in these allegations. The California state health officials performed over 2,000 tests of every square inch of the farm. They dug three feet into each cow in attempt to pull out a pathogen. NOT ONE pathogen was found. OP Dairy owner Mark McAfee intensively tests his milk more frequently than required. In seven years of business, not one pathogen has ever been found. EVER! Healthy grass fed cows produce healthy milk. The state of California cleared the dairy. Read the article, “State Clears Fresno County Dairy’s Raw Milk in E. Coli Case”, on the Food Safety Network website. http://foodsafetynetwork.ca/fsnet/2006/10-2006/fsnet_oct-1.htm#story5 This is all too typical of the blame and bias given to raw milk. Like the Duke Lacrosse Team, raw milk remains an easy target. Thankfully, there are those who are intelligent enough to ferret out the truth for themselves. Too bad the rest are just sheeple, blindly led and deceived by big business and big government.
by mooshine 29 Jun 2007, 8:32pm Report this comment
“I’ve given so much thought to how and why Chris became ill last summer. He became ill from “something” that was contaminated with “unidentified” bacteria that almost killed him. I’m being fair in my presentation of the facts. Unfortunately, Chris was the only child who became ill during this time period, who also drank raw milk, but the bacteria was never isolated. The other 3 children involved all drank raw milk and all tested positive for the same blueprint of e-coli this means it came from the same source. My child has a very strict diet. I treat him naturally for ADD. We don’t eat fast food and all his food is purchased at our local health food store where most produce comes from local farms. It was very easy for me to isolate what he ate. During the time frame when he became ill, he had raw milk, spinach and a new type of lettuce. During the first few weeks of Chris’ two month stay in the hospital, there was an e-coli outbreak for raw milk, spinach and lettuce. I had all three of these foods in the refrigerator at home. The FDA contacted me. They wanted to test the food. I gave them the three foods. And guess what, they didn’t test them because the bacteria in Chris’ poop was never isolated…..talk about bad luck. They told me his case wasn’t a high enough priority. They were bombarded with people who tested positive for the spinach e-coli. Chris did not eat packaged Dole spinach, so the spinach was ruled out. Believe me, I wanted it to be the spinach. I wanted him to have Shigella, not e-coli. Do you have any idea what it is like to watch you child hooked up to a ventilator, with his hands tied to the bed for 9 days and the only person you have to blame is yourself. I made the choice to give him raw milk knowing there was a risk. I have to live with this decision the rest of my life. It would have been very easy for me to have come to the conclusion it was the spinach….I’d be emotionally off the hook. Or to say, we really don’t know if he had e-coli, so it could have been Shigella. I’ve read hours of documents on both e-coli and Shigella. I’ve made the list, one column for all the symptoms of e-coli and one for Shigella. In all honesty, he did present with Shigella more than e-coli and he was originally diagnosed with Shigella. I have analyzed this information so much, it has tormented me. If I only knew for sure what bacteria did this damage to my child? In all the objectivity that I have in my soul, I’ve come to the conclusion it was the raw milk. What are the chances that my child, who also drank the raw milk, who became ill in the exact same time frame, who mimicked identically the symptoms of the 10 year old girl who was in the same hospital as Chris had something different. She tested positive for e-coli. The 2 kids were about 12 hours apart in their symptoms. The kids even peed for the first time, on the same day after they had both experience complete renal failure. What are the chances that she had e-coli and Chris had Shigella? And what would my son get Shigella from? We were in two different hospitals and had four different nephrologists working on our son’s case. 3 of the 4 doctors had practiced for 20 or more years and none of them had never treated a case of HUS that had developed from Shigella. This is usually seen in 3rd world countries. Also, the 3 children that tested positive with the same blueprint of e-coli all lived in different counties within California. What else could they have eaten that got them sick? Can anyone come up with a food it could have been other than the raw milk? These are the reasons I’ve come to the conclusion that it was the raw milk. I told Mark McAfee to his face when he came to the hospital that I hoped it wasn’t his milk. I’m not anti-raw milk. I’m one of you. I’m not trying to convince anyone not to drink raw milk. I’m just sharing my story.
by Mary McGonigle-Martin , California 30 Jun 2007, 1:02am Report this comment
Milk is not the "perfect food". Milk is meant to be consumed only by baby animals not adult animals and cow's milk is for baby cows. The give these cows so many hormones and antibiotics that milk is not healthy. Its better to drink distiled water or eat fresh fruit.
by arthurb3 NC 30 Jun 2007, 12:12pm Report this comment
I would like to clarify something about the diagnosis of Shigella. We spent about 8 days within the Kaiser system before being sent to Loma Linda University Children’s Hospital—an extremely respected teaching hospital. The diagnosis of Shigella came from the doctors at Kaiser. They did NOT isolate the Shigella bacteria. This was a guess on their part probably based on Chris’ presenting symptoms—he experienced rectal prolapse and a sigmoidoscopy revealed ulcerative colitis. These are both typically symptoms of Shigella, but it does not mean you couldn’t experience these symptoms with e-coli. Both of these bacteria can cause Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome (HUS). There are many strains of both e-coli and Shigella. E-coli 0157:H7 and Shigella dysenteriae type 1 (this type of Shigella is extremely rare in the United States) can develop into HUS. They both produce the Shiga toxin that causes the damage on the kidneys, pancreas and brain. We had 3 nephrologists at Loma Linda. Not one of these doctors thought he had Shigella. The pediatric intensive care doctors also concurred. All the medical professionals at LLUMC believed he had e-coli. Once I came home, I wanted to somehow prove he had Shigella, however, after all of my research I could only come to one conclusion—Chris became ill from e-coli contamination. I would also like to clarify that it is very rare to become ill from e-coli contamination in raw milk. Campylobacter seems to be the most common cause of raw milk contamination, with the second runner up being Salmonella. I’ve analyzed all the CDC data on raw milk outbreaks (all types of bacteria contamination) that have been documented since 1973. If you include the OP case, in 34 years there have been 3 documented e-coli outbreaks due to raw milk, affecting 28 people. The 1995 Washington outbreak alone (e-coil was found in the milk and milking parlor) contaminated 18 people. I have no vendetta again Organic Pastures dairy and I don’t believe e-coli contamination is the # 1 concern when drinking raw milk. I’m not even trying to prove OP milk made our son sick. There is a bigger message with our story. Our experience educated us about the vulnerability we all have regarding e-coli contamination. Our food supply is a constant e-coli disaster waiting to happen. Large scale e-coli contamination will continue in the US. If you or any family member ever becomes contaminated with this pathogen make sure you are NEVER given antibiotics. Antibiotics for e-coli 0157:H7 is like pouring gasoline on a fire; it multiples the die off process of the Shiga toxin which can lead to HUS. A week of severe, painful diarrhea and vomiting is no big deal compared to renal failure caused by HUS. Our son is in an at risk category for kidney disease for the rest of his life. If his kidneys begin to fail, it means someday he could need a kidney transplant.
by Mary McGonigle-Martin , California 30 Jun 2007, 12:38pm Report this comment
Those who have paid attention will note that Ms. McGonigle-Martin’s comments are riddled with a multitude of inconsistencies. In addition, she continues to blur the facts with her “own conclusions” and opinion despite irrefutable evidence. Unfortunately, the media locks onto these statements and further spins them as truth. The intent here is not to discredit or minimize the suffering that Ms. McGonigle and her family have endured, but to illuminate the truth regarding Organic Pastures Dairy, whom she states she does not want to blame and then has, repeatedly. Facts: 1. Organic Pastures Dairy was EXONERATED by the state of California because: 2. 2,000 tests for pathogens from OPD farm, animals, and products were NEGATIVE – that means NO PATHOGENS on the cows or anywhere 3. The OPD milk sample from Ms. McGonigle-Martin’s refrigerator was found NEGATIVE for pathogens despite the fact it had been left in the trash for a few days It is sobering to realize that our food supply is not as safe as industry and government officials would like us to believe. E. coli 0157:H7 is rapidly becoming ubiquitous to the soil and ground water in California, where most of the nation’s produce is grown. Contaminated produce is the major vehicle for food borne illness. (38% produce compared to <1% for ALL dairy) Bad bugs are everywhere. (E. coli can survive on a dollar bill for up to seven days!). The CDC has identified 13 key food borne pathogens and expects more to develop. At an alarming rate, these pathogens are becoming antibiotic resistant due to their over use and mutation in industrial agriculture’s crowded feed lots. The pathogen that sickened Chris did not come from OPD, no matter how hard Ms. McGonigle-Martin tries to rationalize her experience. Facts are facts. No parent would intentionally poison a child and no one is blaming her. The CDC and FDA may never find the source for the 2006 California E. coli /spinach outbreak and Ms. McGonigle-Martin may never know what sickened her son. The CDC admits that they can only identify the source in one third of all reported food borne illnesses. As parents we do the best we can, knowing that anything we put into our mouths has the potential to cause illness. So, in kindness, it is suggested that Ms. McGonigle-Martin may find professional counseling beneficial to processing the enormous guilt she expresses in telling her story.
by mooshine 1 Jul 2007, 2:42pm Report this comment
I'm very curious....is this Mark McAfee responding to my posts. You're sound a bit invested in this dairy. First, the milk I had was never tested. The state wouldn't test it because the pathogen that caused Chris to become ill was never isolated in Chris' poop. So it is not true that they didn't find a pathogen in the milk. They didn't find anything because it wasn't tested. 2nd, Patrick, who works for the State of Califorina and was in charge of investigating OP dairy, told me that they found e-coli in one of the milking cows (not the same blueprint as the kids who all became ill and who also drank raw milk)and two dry herd cows. They checked all the cows two months after the kids became ill. So theoretically, a cow could have shed e-coil in OP milk. 3rd, whoever this is responding to my comments, I hope you never have a child become ill from a pathogen while they happen to also be drinking raw milk. The experience was not plesant and no one is pro-raw milk in our hosptial system. 4th, I don't need a counselor. I'm sorry you are not comfortable with my honest feelings about my horrific experience with my child. Making a comment like this is hitting below the belt and shows that somehow I've threatened you. 5th, I had a mother call me after she read about our story in an LA time magazine. She left a message on my voice mail at work (the article mentioned where I worked). She wanted to share with me that her children became ill with e-coli in the summer of 2005 after drinking OP milk. 6th, We'll see what this summer brings. Cows shed their e-coli in the Spring and Summer.
by Mary McGonigle-Martin , California 1 Jul 2007, 6:14pm Report this comment
This quote is taken from Ron Schmid’s book, The Untold Story of Raw Milk . He is discussing the Salmonella outbreak involving Alta Dena Dairy in the early 1980’s that ended the dairy’s sale of raw milk in the State of California. “The dairy did its best to produce a large volume of raw milk for the people of California, but it was not a pasture-based dairy. Mistakes were undoubtedly occasionally made, and milk may have occasionally been contaminated with Salmonella or other pathogens. Since the State Health Department reports cannot be trusted, it is impossible to know how often that may have occurred. But to expect or demand perfection from any dairy would be ludicrous, and any raw food may on occasion carry pathogenic organisms that may precipitate illness in susceptible individuals. The point is that people need and have a right to choose carefully produced raw dairy products despite the fact that contamination may occasionally occur. The proper role of the public health authorities is to help producers make the best possible products and ensure that any contamination is minimal, and then to take proper steps to protect the public when and if contamination occurs. For proponents of raw milk to claim that problems never occur is to avoid reality and play into the hands of bureaucrats who would seize upon rare and isolated problems as an excuse to condemn all raw milk.” In the 1980’s, I consumed raw milk products until the Salmonella outbreak. I was very disappointed when I could no longer purchase raw milk in California. Fast forward 20 something years, sometime in the Spring of 2006 our local health food store began carrying Organic Pastures raw milk and raw milk products. I was surprised and excited to see that raw milk products were available in California again. Every morning my son’s nose would be clogged up. I was convinced it was due to drinking pasteurized milk. Looking at the raw milk sitting on the self and reading the OP signs hanging on the windows as you walk in the store advertising relief from allergies, etc… if you use this milk, I began contemplating a switch to OP raw milk. However, I didn’t do it right away. The Alta Dena Dairy Salmonella outbreak was always in the back of my mind. I kept thinking, what if I gave this milk to Chris and he became ill from a pathogen. I did this metal dance for about 3 months. I’d pick the milk up off the shelf and then put it back thinking I probably shouldn’t take the risk. Someone told me about Joe Mercola’s website and he is totally pro raw milk. I went to OP’s website and read all their information. Mark McAfee tests every bottle. I finally felt safe enough to try it. Chris started drinking raw milk sometime in mid August. Three weeks later he was in the emergency room with blood coming out of his rectum. After 5 days of severe, painful diarrhea and vomiting (non stop every 15 or 20 minutes), he was diagnosed with HUS. Three days later he was in complete renal failure. I blamed myself for my son’s illness because I went against my intuition and gave him raw milk despite the fact I knew there could be a health risk. To quote Ron Schmid, “But to expect or demand perfection from any dairy would be ludicrous, and any raw food may on occasion carry pathogenic organisms that may precipitate illness in susceptible individuals”. This quote should be on every bottle of raw milk.
by Mary McGonigle-Martin , California 2 Jul 2007, 2:01am Report this comment
I would just want to pose one question: it seems to me that this battle over raw milk is particularly American - if that's the case, what is the take on raw milk in other cultures? Is it even a question in places like France, Spain or Italy? Does it say something about us culturally as Americans? I lived in France for a year, and when I first got there, I was shocked by the milk that I bought at my local supermarket. Yes, because it tasted of something, unlike American milk. Was it raw or unpasteurized? I have no idea. I'd love to know. When I came back to the US, I was then shocked at how supermarket milk had no taste. I'm not a big milk-drinker anyway, luckily, using it simply in my tea or coffee, but I do love cheese, especially raw milk cheese.
by jasmine , NYC 2 Jul 2007, 11:46am Report this comment
Dear Starving Americans.... ...you may be fat but you are nutritionally and biologically starving to death unless you drink raw milk or eat raw fermented whale blubber. Tens of thousands of elated raw milk consumers every week in California trek to local stores and buy raw milk. They report relief from many chronic diseases, Asthma, IBS, Crohns, Ulcers, Etc. Not one test performed on any OPDC raw grass fed dairy product has ever detected a human pathogen. My heart goes out to the Martins. Please analize the statements of fact made by the Martins. The facts are shown....their child did not have ecoli 0157H7. Their child had shigella. This is concrete and irrefutable scientific evidence that ecoli 0157H7 was not a part of the disease process. OPDC was completely vindicated and shown to be unconnected and innocent of making any child sick last September. As tragic as it may seem. Our diets ( sterile and preserved ) and our culture of medicine ( antibiotics ) is killing our immune systems and making us subject to disease and bigger badded bugs. The Martins must place their anger in the correct direction. The FDA, Pharma and doctors that are trained in medical schools to push drugs that kill hundreds of thousands each year. Doctors nearly killed their son by using an antibiotic that was contra-indicated. According to the CDC about 2 million Americans are sickened by Antibiotic resistant bacteria every year. 100,000 die from those infections. FDA approved drugs kill thousands each year( do not forget Celebrex and Vioxx that killed more than 100,000 ). Brace yourself for massive death caused by cholecterol lowering drugs. They are the next round of tragedy. Remember this. Pathogens only exist when the host is weak. Hence the long politically signficant list of pathogens in the USA. We are weak and we are scared of real food. A very dangerous cycle leading to death. When the bacteia in us die we die....we should be searching for good bacteria the food to feed them. These food selections are the essence of life itself. Remember this. Whole foods from natural sources cure and heal practically every disease process known to man. Because with the right foods we are meant to self heal. Follow the money and you will find greed, the FDA, Pharma and politics of industry. Raw milk mends the food chain on both ends and cures asthma and immune depression... what a bargain. The score today is 70 million servings and zero pathogens detected at OPDC, so far. Join the raw revolution, Only living milk brings life!! This only for those that are conscious enough to break from the scared American sheep herd and seize your own health destiny. Mark McAfee Founder OPDC www.organicpastures.com Fresno CA
by mark mcafee (mark@organicpastures.com) , california 2 Jul 2007, 3:24pm Report this comment
Mark McAfee……thank you for identifying yourself. I want to commend you for your passion for raw milk. You are on a mission and I admire people with a mission! You run an amazing dairy with the utmost care to prevent pathogens from entering your milk supply. You are definitely a responsible dairyman. If a pathogen somehow entered OP milk, it would not be due to an irresponsible act on your part. You are a good man, following his passion and producing a product that you believe helps people’s health. The state of California has you under a microscope and you a passing all scrutiny with flying colors. I’m sure you take immense pride in the milk you produce. I also believe in the benefits raw milk has to offer or I would never have given it to my child. I’m not angry with you because I believe my son became ill from OP milk. I’m not even angry with the medical system that almost killed our son. No on intentionally tried to harm my child. I share my story to make people think. E-coli and Shigella contamination is not like getting the common cold. The Shiga toxin can be deadly. Other food borne pathogens are not a cake walk, but I can’t speak personally about other pathogens. Mark, I believe I have been as fair as possible when presenting the facts about Chris’ illness. I have come to my own conclusion (with much given thought) about what caused Chris to become ill and this is where you and I disagree. I understand why you disagree—there are no hard facts and you have a dairy to protect. What I would appreciate from you is honest facts. Why do you keep saying Chris had Shigella when a bacteria was never isolated? Do you have some information I’m not privy to? Please clarify why you keep saying he had Shigella?
by Mary McGonigle-Martin , California 2 Jul 2007, 9:54pm Report this comment
Dear Martins, Your kind words for raw milk are deeply appreciated. The reason I say Shigella is becuase that is what you told me when I visited you at Loma Linda hospital. That is also what the state told me when I asked them to identify the bacteria that sickened your son.They reported that ecoli was not found and that a Shigella toixin producing bacteria was the infecting agent, confirming Shigella. I wish you all the very best of health and hope that soon you can start to enjoy the miraculous healin power of safe clean raw milk. Your son has gone through hell and he needs the immune rehabilitation that only raw milk can give. If you can not bring yourself to provide him raw milk then at least give him raw Kefir or other fermented whole foods. He needs the high bacteria count and enzyme rich food that will prevent a reinfection from pathogens in the future. Bless you, Mark McAfee
by mark mcafee (mark@organicpastures.com) , california 3 Jul 2007, 9:40am Report this comment
Mark…..the Shiga toxin exists in both Shigella and e-coli 0157:H7. This is a quote taken from an emedicine article on Shigella infection. “The characteristic virulence trait is encoded on a large plasmid, which is responsible for synthesis of polypeptides causing cytotoxicity. Shigellae those lose the virulence plasmid are no longer pathogenic. Escherichia coli (E coli 0157:H7) that harbor this plasmid clinically behave a Shigella bacteria…..Shiga toxin 1 is synthesized in significant amount by S dysenteriae serotype 1 and S flexneri 2a and E coli (Shigella toxin-producing E coli)” What this means is they found the Shiga toxin in Chris, but not the specific bacteria that caused the Shiga toxin. Both Shigella and E coli 0157:H7 emit this toxin when the bacteria die off. However, “In persons infected with S dysenteria type 1, early administration of effective antibiotics decreased Shiga toxin concentrations in the stool and lowers the risk of HUS. However, the risk of HUS caused by E coli 0157:H7 may be increased with the early administration of antibiotics. There is no way anyone could know what bacteria caused Chris to become ill. However, he was initially diagnosed with Shigella (we received this diagnosis on the 5th day in the hospital which was the 3rd Kaiser facility we had been in). This is the way it was presented to us (paraphrase). “We think Chris has Shigella even though the bacteria were not isolated. We did find the Shiga toxin. Chris has HUS and we have never treated a case of HUS that developed from Shigella (only from e-coli), so we don’t know if the HUS will progress in the same manner as it does with e-coli contamination. Two days later we were airlifted to Loma Linda University Children’s hospital. A few days after we arrived at Loma Linda, the CDC showed up asking us all sorts of questions. What change the entire equation was having two children at this hospital that both drank raw milk in the same time period, who became symptomatic on the same day, and who were both diagnosed with HUS on the same. The e-coli bacteria was isolated in the other child. This is when Chris’ diagnosis was change to E-coli 0157:H7. Children’s hospitals typically have two to three children a year who develop HUS after e-coli contamination. They are mostly random cases and the source is usually not identified. To have two children at the same hospital who are not siblings (because they ate the same food) who both have HUS is unheard of. Then add to that 2 other children who were also reported becoming ill after drinking OP raw milk and all three children had the same blueprint of e-coli (meaning it came from the same source). What are the chances that Chris had Shigella and the other children all had e-coli? However, I have always been curious as to why they initially diagnosed him with Shigella? Common sense would dictate a diagnosis of e-coli since they never isolated the bacteria; especially considering the fact they never treated a child with Shigella induced HUS. This conflict of diagnosis has left me unsettled. It would behoove both of us if there were “factual” reasons for this diagnosis. I would be able to emotionally live with some “random” reason he got Shigella (not me giving him the milk) and you wouldn’t have me on the internet claiming your milk got my son sick. It would be a win win situation. Thanks for the info on the keifer. When Chris came home from the hospital, he was on a 450 billion dose of probiotics for about a week and now he is on a maintenance dose of 20 billion a day. I’m going to attempt making keifer from coconut water. It’s supposed to be fabulous. I’m sorry to say I could never try raw milk again. I don’t have the confidence you have.
by Mary McGonigle-Martin , California 4 Jul 2007, 12:33am Report this comment
ORGANIC PASTURES RAW MILK got my daughter sick last September 2006. No matter what Mark McAfee says or whatever excuse anyone wants to come up with. ORGANIC PASTURES DISTRIBUTED CONTAMINATED MILK LAST SEPTEMBER !!! The good part about this for Mark is that ONLY 5 children got sick. He is lucky it wasn't more. Lucky for him anyway, not for the families that almost lost their children.!!! Thank you Mary for all of your hard work and research. What you have come up with further solidifies my feeling on this.
by grosales26 Durham , Southern California 5 Jul 2007, 2:14pm Report this comment
"The Martins must place their anger in the correct direction. The FDA, Pharma and doctors that are trained in medical schools to push drugs that kill hundreds of thousands each year. Doctors nearly killed their son by using an antibiotic that was contra-indicated" Mark, you write how people want to BLAME. The above comment from you is doing exactly that. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? The Martins, like myself, have every reason to believe that OP milk got our children sick. All you have done is blame the doctors and the hospitals and healthcare. Give me a break!! Ill never forget how unsympathetic you were on the news when your dairy got shut down. It was horrible. Like the Martins, Raw milk will never be a part of our household. ACTUALLY IT NEVER WAS. And believe me, Im all too happy to warn everyone I can about RAW Milk.
by grosales26 Durham , Southern California 5 Jul 2007, 2:49pm Report this comment
Raw milk rocks! Those FDA people are so corrupt and dishonerable that they don't even realize that we will eventually prevail! -©mg Only a fool fights in a burning house -Klingon proverb
by Mr. Raw (Milk) , U.S. 5 Jul 2007, 7:12pm Report this comment
No one advocating raw milk is suggesting that the masses should convert to raw dairy, we only want the freedom to choose what to ingest in our own bodies. The last person I need the government to protect me from is my neighborhood farmer, I think there are bigger fish to fry.
by dcac NC 6 Jul 2007, 11:53pm Report this comment
Got Raw Milk? The best way to ensure your freedom to choose raw milk is to buy it from a local farmer that you know and trust. Then refuse to be intimidated into secrecy for making this healthy choice. Help bring raw milk out of the closet! Buy a T-shirt or bumper sticker at http://gotrawmilk.org/. All profits go toward legalizing raw milk.
by msenkpiel Chapel Hill 7 Jul 2007, 2:31pm Report this comment
It was a nice article; I'm doing a term paper about milk in my college class. Raw milk is healthier for you than pasteurized, and pasteurization doesn't necessarily make it safer. You should always buy organic raw milk from whole foods or other stores when ever possible. Raw milk also tastes better. But if you’re trying to get more calcium, milk is not the best solution. First milk contains high amounts of phosphorous, which prevents calcium absorption . Infants get more milk from mothers than from cow milk even though cow milk has 4x the amount of calcium. That's no surprise because cow milk is not made for humans just like any other animal milk is not made for other animals A diet with a verity of vegetables can supply all minerals and vitamins needed. Best choice would be to have no milk, then organic raw milk. A good book about health, milk etc is "never be sick again."
by AJETT (crackerwiz@yahoo.com) 6 Oct 2007, 8:38pm Report this comment
The thing is - The Weston A Price Foundation is a very bad group. People think that just because it's a "non-profit" (who funds their studies anyway?), it cares about the people or real science. I heard that the old director (whoever Mercola took place of) died from a stroke at the age of 42. If the claims drawn by the Weston A Price Foundation are true - about a high animal fat/protein diet - why did their old director die so young??? Could it be that their views on cholesterol are VERY stupid? I also don't like the Weston A Price Foundation because they write pseudoscience papers against soybeans... All of their studies are done on rats (human beings are not rats) and they do insane things like extract the phytoestrogen from the beans in high concentrations and they feed rats that only. However - if you notice some of the studies - the "control" group of rats were receiving normal rat food - which includes soy beans (and they lived healthy and long). I had a great idea - why doesn't the Weston A Price Foundation take all 59 hormones from their raw milk - extract them, and test them on rats or themselves - I mean, if they know milk hormones are so safe, they shouldn't have a problem injesting them themselves. Then we might see which is worse - soybeans or milk. The Weston A Price Foundation does not have any valid human studies. There is nothing on pubmed or NIH that supports their claims and they are warned by the FDA to stop their claims over and over again. We are apes - apes do not live on 80% animal protein/fat (more like 10% in the form of insects mostly). I'm sure if we fed chimps and banobas a diet like this - they would die off very quickly. Also - I think it is laughable that Weston A Price Foundation would try and mimic a diet that is impossible to follow in this nation or western society. Cows/pigs/chickens etc raised on farms is not the same thing as eating wild, lean animals. Tribal people probably NEVER ate dairy products during this time (the time when weston a price did his study in Africa) - in fact - 90% of all Africans are lactose intolerant.
by lonelytrees Chapel Hill 18 Oct 2007, 4:21pm Report this comment
I don't care how many degrees you have or what your offical title is. You are don't know what you are talking about. I bet you can't say where, or name the children that got sick. Every time such cases have been investigated it has been found to be a different source, not raw milk. But after it is found, it isn't reported that raw milk was not responsible. No, that would look too good for the raw milk side. If there was even one death of a child from raw milk, it would have made the CNN news nationwide. However on the other hand, the 70 million cases of food poisoning that the CDC records every year would and does get ignored. I guess 70 MILLION CASES aren't enough to bother reporting. And that is from sources not related to raw milk! People getting sick from sources that have nothing to do with raw milk. Every day, all over the country. And the CDC and the USDA acts like it's no big deal. But then why should they, they are the ones not doing the job of inspecting, having enough inspectors. They are the ones who allow sick cattle to be processed into hamburger, they are the ones who allow factory farms to be so nasty and filthy that you can smell them miles away, especially if you are downwind! It's ok to allow cattle and other livestock to be forced to live in their own filth and offal. That's perfectly ok with the Feds. But God forbid that someone dare to want to sell or drink clean, milk straight from a real cared for cow! What's next, a ban on the backyard garden? Who died and left the CDC as God? Raw milk gets a bad rap because it would devastate the dairy industry as it is today. Raw milk is so healthy that people who drink it WON'T GET SICK, AT ALL! And that would be bad for the doctors and pharmacies, wouldn't it? Healthy people don't need doctors or drugs and that accounts for a whole lot cold hard cash not being spent. It's all about money and who you can screw to get it. And if denying the public the right to choose what to eat and how to stay healthy, it's ok, just as long as it makes money for the milk industry. Selling bad milk is ok, selling tainted and adultrated milk is fine and dandy. Let the public be damned. We don't need to know that all the milk on the shelves has been adultrated and mixed with fillers because they screened out all the cream and butterfat and need to make it have the proper "mouthfeel" of real milk. There is a double standard on how clean pasteurized and raw milk can be. The processed milk is allowed to have more bacteria and additives, but not raw milk. In fact, in California they are trying to have raw milk impossibly bacteria free. But not pasteurized milk. Back in the 70's when the milk supply was contaminated with PBB"s and PCB's, it didn't stop the big dairy farms from selling the milk or the meat until somebody notified the news media! They tried to say that it was all in the minds of farmers who revealed the contamination, they ridiculed and denied help. You and others that have either been brainwashed or paid off need to find a lake to jump in. I've had it with the lies and deceptions, the hiding of the truth and the phoney "news" stories aimed at keeping people scared and in line. Enough is enough! If raw milk is so dangerous, why does the rest of the world still drink and use it? There are no reports of salmonella outbreaks or anything else. Only in the USA and Canada and England does the government get crazy about stopping raw milk consumption. The Maasai people live off nothing but raw milk from their herds, and it sustains them even in droughts and hard times. Prove to me and the others that it is really bad! I dare you and your ilk to run a truly honest and unbiased test,let folks go ahead and see for once and for all that raw milk is bad! Enough with the phoney scare stories and examples from the 19th century. This ain't 1888 anymore! And to add insult to injury, the dairy folks are planning once again to use the waste material from making ethanol to feed to dairy cows! Just like they did the first time around when they fed whiskey scum to cows and tainted the milk on those distillery dairies. Check the news for today, they are considering it right now. Those distillery dairies murdered thousands of babies and children all over the country. But the blame was pushed off on raw milk. Anybody want to take the dare? I'll be the first to volunteer to drink the raw milk. I dare you to run a test, double dare you. Put your money where your mouth is.
by chadden116 , dearborn heights MI 14 Feb 2008, 10:17pm Report this comment
Common sense tells us the less you mess with food the better it is. Experience tells me the same thing. I grew up on real milk from cows I met; churned a lot of butter, too. I eat raw vegetables out of my own garden, even root crops without washing them (no commercial fertilizer). I feel much better in summer when my small garden is available than in winter when I have to eat processed crap from the store. But around here there are NO dairy farms, so I'm stuck with that watery funny smelling stuff they have at Safeway. Engle is a colege educated idiot who probably grew up on factory milk and just doesn't have the sense to learn before he opens his mouth. And since we move farther and farther from a localized economy because of the power we have given big business, I fear our health will continue to decline. Got your stock in the "Pharma" companies to help pay for your healthcare?
by Ernie Moh (erniemoh@comcast.net) 28 Feb 2008, 11:10pm Report this comment
I want Raw Milk available in NC! It should not be a crime to sell or purchase a gift from God! How do we get rid of Jeff Engel and all those polititians who are sold out to the BIG MILK INDUSTRY???
by JD NC 22 Mar 2008, 1:57pm Report this comment
This was a very informative article and a real eye opener for me. I am very pro raw milk and even the accounts that point to raw milk being bad has straightened my commitment to raw milk. Raw milk has much to offer. Whether it can perform miracles is doubtful, but no doubt that any diet that is improved from commercially processed foods and a move is made to more down to earth real food will more than likely improve our health. I agree that locally grown milk, meat and produce would be an excellent move. Even better than that would be to grow our own food in our own garden and keep our own healthy cow, sheep or goats.
by Ok , California 17 Aug 2008, 10:00pm Report this comment
Very Important Article! Although many comments are questioning the safety of raw milk and pointing to the need for more research IT IS NOT IN DOUBT that the creation of universal pasteurization laws were pushed through by big confinement dairies to overturn small ones. Read the book, THE UNTOLD STORY OF MILK and send your letter of support to the 22 members of the House Agriculture Committee, where S948, 'The Small Diary Sustainability Bill' is pending. E.mail me for their e.mail addresses or visit http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2007&BillID=s948 for information From a farmer: the risks of raw milk contamination are largely due to unsanitary conditions. Good farmers with knowledge of the potential vectors of contamination can easily prevent bad milk. Clean your cow or goats teats and get the milk into refrigeration as soon as possible after milking because Raw milk has a shorter shelf-life than pasteurized milk. Yes! our ancestors drank raw milk for generations No! illness was NOT common Yes! There is a world of difference between raw, grass-fed milk and confined-grain-fed milk Please support this bill so that I can start a Cow share safely and legally.
by Geoff_Steen` (geoff_steen@yahoo.com) NC , Marshall 22 Sep 2008, 3:20pm Report this comment
I am surprised to see that the article I remembered reading in the Independent was published a year and a half ago. A new edition of a health newsletter I received today included the following link, which I thought I'd share: www.realmilk.com (A Campaign for Real Milk)
by gnb Durham 29 Oct 2008, 2:13pm Report this comment
Unbelievable. This is almost as shocking as ... Are you feeding your cat Fruit Loops?
by flying caveman , CA 19 Jul 2009, 4:54pm Report this comment
Add to the discussion
Post your comment
Add to the discussion
Post your comment
 
return to top