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Interestingly enough, a number of surveys which tested the knowledge base of conservative talk show listeners has shown them to be significantly better informed on current events and civics than their non-listener fellow citizens. How can that be true if there is an ounce of insight in any of this childish screed you have published?

I too am disappointed that there is no coverage of Wake municipal elections other than Raleigh and Cary. I understand the Indy can be everywhere, but local elections really get too little coverage to begin with and I would hope that there is some thought towards expanding beyond what is listed. Living in Apex, it isn't like we have the broadest array of political positions from which to choose, but any information is better than none.

Lisa, thanks for admitting you didn't know and having the integrity to err on the side of caution. Rare to see from the media today.

This is an excellent article for a class in logic to use as a learning exercise. You have used the most fallicies in logical thinking that I have ever seen in one article. The article includes examples of argumentum ad hominems, argumentum ad ignorantiams, fallacies of composition, proof by verbosity, homunculus fallacies, appeals to ridicule, straw man arguments and psychologist's fallacies. You should read the article with this in mind and see how many you can find.(per paragraph)

I agree that the elections in Apex and other Wake County municipalities are important. We didn't endorse in those races because, frankly, we didn't feel that we were knowledgeable enough about the issues in those communities to make informed endorsements. That would have been unfair to the voters, readers and candidates.

I agree... I came to the Independent expecting some coverage of the Apex elections and was suprised to find none. There are several seats open and it is so hard to find information not put out by the candidates. Come on Indy, help us out!

Here is a silver lining Hal Crowther failed to mention.

Although Hal seems to suffer what most Democrats do, "wealth envy", Beck's income will provide much of the tax revenue that President Obama will need to distribute wealth to our country's "rightful owners".

Hal Crowder is just another angry white man. What a shame. Over the twenty plus years that he has been writing for your paper, he has not become a better writer--he has just gotten angrier and bitter. I cannot read his "work."

"All progressives share the dream of strangling Bill O'reily and driving an SUV over Limbaugh's bloated...." Crosses the line. Glen says "don't harm anyone" Hal says "I have a dream" It will be hard to find a copy of this rant anywhere near where I work or visit..It's kinda like shouting down Tom Tancreado at UNC.. sometimes libs say "you can't speak its hate speach." O.k. I'll play along...

Hal, this should be titled "2nd in the series, Hal Crowther bashes Beck".

Or is it the third? Your article on Harvard's Professor Gates was the first that I saw you bashing Beck.

I think we need Hate Crime legislation to protect these entertainment personalities from these vicious attacks.

Beck, like Limbaugh is in the entertainment industry. If they are not entertaining, they are out of business. Maybe that explains the failure of Air America, Morning Sedition, Randy Rhodes, Al Franken, et al? Not entertaining.

Time for you to move on to a more entertaining topic. I would not want you to be out of business. Obama has created a tough economic environment out there...

This move by Chapel Hill seems like an analogy for the general decline in Franklin Street over the years. Maybe the kids over at NCSU will get the Hillsborough Haunted Hike picking up steam.

I would love to see this happen. As someone who has lived overseas in a city with zero urban planning, I have seen what will potentially happen to Raleigh: a dirty, overcrowded city with poor public transportation and little pride from its citizens. This plan sounds like a wonderful start to push Raleigh in the right direction and the fact that it will rely on public lands rather than private I believe it a step in the right direction.

Thai veterans advocate

I am preparing my brief for BVA 11-13-09.

Suggestons appreiated.

http://shop-las-vegas.com/VBA/The-Brief.htm

I find it amazing how some of these people who agree with this author's superficial child-like rant of an article subscribe to the same unintelligent name-calling. If you disagree with Beck, please articulate point-by-point where Glenn is wrong and give the evidence. Up to this point, I haven't seen anyone capable of doing that. Name-calling is for 2nd grade, folks.

Okay, Zach, I've read your blog. There were two or three people supporting your position, and a couple more asking questions, and one directly opposing you. This is not exactly a landslide of support for your PASSION about this matter.

I like DSI and I am prepared to like you, if you'll let me. Can we talk like reasonable people, please ?

Apparently I've lived in Chapel Hill and Carrboro longer than you have, and have worked for more businesses there, though I am not yet a geriatric looking for the Early Bird Specials as your snarkiest supporter suggests. I've also lived in Durham for a decade and wish it well. Enough credentials, or do you want to arm-wrestle for the honor of who knows our towns and their interests best?

Zach, have you been to Franklin Street on Hallowe'en night in the past few years? I have, and it was not fun. It was much too crowded and the crowd felt ugly, like a fight could break out any minute. There have been fights, and nothing but a large and wildly expensive police presence has kept them from erupting into a general melee. Many cases of alcohol poisoning have been rushed to the emergency room. Vandalism -- not cute stuff like egging and toilet paper, but broken windows and slashed tires and busted beer bottles all over the street -- has been common all over town, and there have been lots of muggings and assaults as the night became morning. In recent years I've lived on Macauley Street and Hillsborough Street and experienced the crap doesn't get reported to the police: drunks yelling at 4 am and vomiting and pissing in residents' yards, car windows broken, stuff like that. Do you live close enough to Franklin Street to have to put up with that?

At our last public festival that grew to attract people from all over the state someone was shot and killed. Do you think that's good for business?

I love Chapel Hill, I love and support local businesses, and I love Hallowe'en. I'd love to support and enjoy a Franklin Street celebration that works happily for all involved. Wouldn't you, Zach?

From your comments here and as quoted in the Indy, yeah, you sound about 10, and somewhat spoiled. I will check out your blog before I say anything stronger.

Great article on Beck! I especially liked how you dissected with such surgical precision his arguments against the proposed government take-over of the health insurance industry. Truly a masterpiece of editorial eloquence.

It was inspiring to read as you so capably exposed his unabashed right wing fascism in his opposition to government take over of private business, and so expertly disemboweled his arguments one by one. Any first year poli sci or history major knows that only Mussolini and the Italian government could make the trains run on time. What, does he think we're stupid? The skill you displayed as an incredibly talented, articulate, highly intelligent and polished wordsmith in pointing out and pulverizing the factual errors and flawed nuances of his arguments should be required reading for aspiring political authors the world over.

But my favorite part was when you so clearly and cleverly demonstrated that the soft, fuzzy-headed, pop-eyed Big Bird with a wet, petulant little mouth that emits a braying, wheedling voice better suited to a phone solicitor than an entertainer, isn't articulate enough to raise liberal blood pressure in the O'Reilly-Coulter tradition. It is so refreshing to see how a reasoned and well thought out point by point disarticulation of the issues so easily trumps the personal insults and hate-speech filled raw meat for the Cro-Magnon Rabid Right, that stupid, graceless, rude, hysterically ill-informed and to all appearances idiot spews each and every day.

A very well written and incredibly insightful piece. It’s hard to believe that Beck's brand of low life drop-out hatred pays so much better than your version of factually impenetrable, sophisticated, elegant and highly educated literary style isn’t it?

Thanks for the chuckles, Hal. Glad to hear he's not getting to you.

That was a really funny article. You just made a fan!

Disappointed in me? What am I, 10 years old?

I AM passionate about this issue. I believe the Town has made a GRAVE (pardon the Halloween pun) mistake by managing our growth this way. I think the article doesn't represent the FULL scope of my reasoning. And, appropriate for the article, Location Location Location. I am the only source quoted and My quotes (which I'll give an 85% accuracy based on context) are the Last words, making up 1/3 of the article. So it feels like I'm the only one speaking out. But from personal feedback on my Orange Politics post, I'm not the only person who seems to care about the issue.

http://orangepolitics.org/2009/10/how-the-townof-chapel-hill-stole-halloween

I can't believe how anyone in their right minds would consider Beck to be factual and truthful let alone balanced and fair. You Fox News sheeple are really nuts if you truly believe all the trash that comes out of these programs. Nothing but hateful, divisive and vulgar entertainment for those with nothing better to do with their time. Think for yourselves and stop letting these jerks yank you chains.

Dude the new drummer is awesome. He rocks it like Bonham. no cheater beaters. this guy keeps the band together. good choice. they rocked at BC. like my short sentences?